There used to be a survey of opinions on the healthcare systems in the UK, US, and Canada.  I haven't seen it in many years.  I'll have to see if I can find it.  I also have Canadian friends, and hear a little more about the problems.  So for example, they love living so close to the US, because they can just come across the border and pay for a surgical or endovascular procedure (pay since of course they don't have US health insurance), rather than waiting months for the procedures.

By the way, I'm just realizing that I should have recognized that we miscommunicated on our early posts about waiting.  On my original post, I was referring to the practise of having to wait to get a surgery done.  For example for years the average wait in the UK for an elderly person to get a hip replacement was one year.  So you are 75 years old, in pain, in the latter part of your life and wanting to have as high a quality life as possible, and you have to wait a year for the surgery.  I'm not up to date on the waiting list for that procedure today--and I know the UK is raising significantly the money spent on healthcare so maybe they are lower.  But I don't think many Americans are aware of this aspect of nationalized healthcare.

But, just not to be branded a capitalist here, my own solution to this healthcare crisis is a combination of the US and UK type healthcare systems.  they both have +/-'s.  Another minus is when I was familiar with it 10+ years ago, they were 6 to 7 years behind us in adopting new technologies.  But I shouldn't go on here, as I can't yet take the time to really get into this one.