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Thanks for the history lesson. I dug into these stories, first from the Hungarian perspective for my Masters, and then from the Ukrainian one for my PhD, it was endlessly fascinating. I also got the Turkish version at a conference last year, by a well known writer whose name escapes me, and it provided an interesting counterpoint (and it did show that Turkeyt was just as European as the others, with all the good and the bad that this entails...)

PS, can't resist - You forgot to mention that Hunyadi was also a duke in Korea; his brother Sumsang is also usually mentioned...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Oct 31st, 2005 at 12:31:14 PM EST
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I dug into these stories, first from the Hungarian perspective for my Masters, and then from the Ukrainian one for my PhD, it was endlessly fascinating.

Interesting! Could you tell more about this? (The Turkish too?) I thought you are a trained economist, do economic studies extend this far back and touch on so much 'real' history? ('Real' as in: sequence of who slaughtered whom in time :-) )

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Oct 31st, 2005 at 04:28:28 PM EST
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Well, my Masters' dissertation (in Geopolitics) was about Hungary's relations with its neighbors in the late 80s/early 90s. I wrote it in 1992 and had the opportunity to tour parts of the border areas on both sides. Obviously, the issues with some of the neighbors were linked to more or less appeased historical grievances, so I did have to dig into the history of the region. I still have in my archives a number of fascinating maps from various dates in the first half of this century, with various borders, ethnic settlements, etc... Simply finding the 3 Hungarian, German and Romanian names for cities was fun (for an outsider...)

My PhD was about the independence of Ukraine, so I did look into the history of the region for various spells of independence or control by others (an incredibly long list, btw).

The amazing Turkish speech was at a CERA conference, but sadly I could never get access to a written version of it (CERA did not have it, apparently)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Nov 1st, 2005 at 05:30:52 AM EST
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