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Thanks for the expanded historical portion.. I was trying to keep it to a minimum to focus on the Halloween-y side of things but there was a lot of interesting political chess playing going on at the time.

FYI, Sighisoara was known in German as Schassburg, which I believe means the "sixth" town out of the Big 7 the Saxons fortified during this era.

While it is true that Vlad mostly controlled Wallachia, which is southern and eastern Romania (today), he also controlled parts of what is now Moldova.  But two of his most famous mass impalements occurred in Sibiu and Brasov, both in Transylvania, and his victims were the Saxon merchants and Hungarian nobles.

Technically speaking Transylvania would only be united with the rest of Romania in 1918.  What's interesting (to me anyway) is that it isn't called Transylvania in the local languages, that being the Latin name (for "beyond the forests").  

It is referred to in Romania as "Ardeal" which few Romanians know is a corruption of the Hungarian name "Erdelyi" (apologies for spelling) for the area.

Stoker I don't think put "Dracula" in Transylvania by error, just stole the name and notoriety of Vlad (the dragon/devil "Draculea") and combined it with the vampire legends.  The book Dracula takes place some 400 years after Vlad's actual reign.

There are still tours you can go on to follow Harker's "route", which start in the city now known as Bistrita.

Pax

Night and day you can find me Flogging the Simian

by soj on Mon Oct 31st, 2005 at 12:55:18 PM EST
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two of his most famous mass impalements occurred in Sibiu and Brasov, both in Transylvania

Yeah, extension of the extension: I believe Dracula, like his father, was also named governor of Transsylvania for some time (by king Matthias Corvinus, son of John Hunyadi) while he too was in exile - but don't have time to look this up now.

"Erdelyi" (apologies for spelling)

Erdély. Comes from erdő, which means forest.

BTW, with reliance on my cultural anthropologist brother, on Transsylvania's (current) settlement: the Hungarian tribes, mostly the "Eigth Tribe" of the Turkic Kabars (rather than the seven with Finno-Ugric ancestry) first settled only in the lowlands 1100 years ago - the mountains were settled only later, but then simultaneously by the Székelys (who are probably descendants of the Kabars to the most part) and the vlachs, and the Saxons (strange choice of name, they were actually immigrants mostly from Hessen and Schwaben) were invited about the same time to work the mines. Thus even if the Romanian nationalist mythology of the Daco-Roman continuity (not to speak of even stranger Hungarian nationalist mythologies) is wrong, the silly competition of who came first should be a non-starter.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Oct 31st, 2005 at 04:24:00 PM EST
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Thanks for the spelling help.. I really can't grasp the Hungarian language other than a few memorized phrases like "thank you".

What's interesting, as I am sure you know, is that in Romania the Szekelys are considered "different" than the rest of the Hungarians.  Indeed, many Hungarians from Hungary come to Romania to visit the Szekelys and see where they live, esp because they live in the "old ways" which haven't changed much over the centuries.

Romania is certainly an interesting country and the more time I live here, the more I learn about it and all the various peoples who live here, including the Lipoveni, a sort of Russian cult who hail from near the Black Sea coast.

Pax

Night and day you can find me Flogging the Simian

by soj on Tue Nov 1st, 2005 at 02:18:10 AM EST
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Yes, the poor Székelys - under Ceauşescu, they were officially considered to be Romanians assimilated by Hungarians, other Hungarians in Transsylvania look(ed) down on them as stupid peasants, while nationalist Hungarians elsewhere consider them - as you say - the uncorrupted guardians of the old ways, and come to see them like in a zoo...

They (or more correctly: their foremen) were certainly separate at the time of Transsylvania's relative autonomy - when from 1437, in the "unio trium nationum", Hungarian noblemen, Székely foremen and Saxon patricians were granted equal rights (and peasants, including all vlachs/Romanians, denied all rights - this agreement came just after the defeat of a peasant revolt). As for earlier times, the continuity from the Kabars is only tentative (I'm again relying on my brother here).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Nov 1st, 2005 at 09:06:08 AM EST
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In the meantime, I could look up some sources - no, Vlad "Dracula" Ţepeş was never a governor of Transsylvania. Vlad slaughtered Saxons and Hungarians around Braşov (=Brassó=Kronstadt) in punitive campaigns (he suspected the Saxons to hide a pretender to his throne, was displeased at their attempts at controlling trade, and was angry at lack of support for an anti-Turkish campaign of his).

Then again, a small region around Făgăraş (Hungarian: Fogaras) - the same region for which vlachs (Romanians) are first mentioned in Transsylvania in written documents (from 1210, 1223 and 1231) - was granted as a fief in exchange for submission to the crown to the Wallachian prince for about 100 years (until Matthias captured Dracula).

I don't know where Dracula's main seat was, it must have been near today's Bucharest, but here are some pictures (and a map) for one castle he definitely owned and lived in (unlike in Bran): Poienari.

According to what I found, Vlad Ţepeş didn't control Moldavia either: it was ruled at this same time by its greatest ruler, Stefan the Great (who, by the way, conducted a similar punitive campaign for the exact same reasons against a Saxon city in Transsylvania).

Dracula was eventually dethroned when his noblemen and the Turks allied against him, he fled to Transsylvania, where he was detained and sent to Matthias's court, where he was put under house arrest - because of a letter (a copy survives in the Vatican) in which he proposed his alliance against Hungary to the Sultan, allegedly captured by said Stefan of Moldavia, and probably a forgery by the Saxons.

The earliest sources (the same middle-age yellow press you refer to, and some diplomatic notes) say that he was shown to visitors of the court kind of to scare them; and that when he was released and put back on the Wallachian throne 12 years later (to be murdered shortly after), he converted to Catholicism. (So one could say that both Dracula in his second reign and his father were puppet kings of the Hungarians, too.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Nov 1st, 2005 at 10:00:07 AM EST
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Ah, just one minute more, and I got the Wallachian seat in Dracula's time... it was at Târgovişte, just South of the Carpathian mountains on the road from Brasov to Bucharest. (The photo on the linked main page shows a tower ordered built by Vlad Ţepeş himself.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Nov 1st, 2005 at 10:11:20 AM EST
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