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What's schocked me has been the increasingly uncivil behavior throughout the country.  I expect these things in the basque country, but the stuff coming out of Catalunya suprises me.  The right wing threat to send Carod Rovira to the "gas chamber", the taped threat presumably by the Catalan nationalist sent to Pique saying that "without the Estatut, you go the firing wall".   This is insane, and all the while Zapatero is forced to deal with changing demographics and social attitudes that mirror rest of the world's experience of the 1960's.  And there seems to be an abnormally large contigent of cutlure warriors amongst the Spansh Right.  

And with the global rights contention that the results of the March 14 election were sumbission to terror (and here I thought it was the lying about ETA that did Aznar in), I really have to wonder how the US in particular would act if there was something truely obnoxious, like a grab for power by the right.  I've seen that the the American right tends to defend Franco as an anti-communist and ignore that he was a fascist.  What would they d if some general took it upon themselve to kidnap Zapatero andtry to force change or occupied the Cortes??

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Wed Oct 5th, 2005 at 10:34:55 AM EST
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Well, well, I don't think any general would go that far. The King did not stand for 23-F in 1981, and he would not stand for anything of the sort now. And these radicals do everything "For God, Homeland and King", just like the Carlists.

The global right had its head up its arse, but check out the video that Aznar's FAES foundation has put out regarding 11-M.

Did you people follow the three anti-government demonstrations this past June?

  1. The Catholic Bishops' Conference encouraged people to actually go out and demonstrate against the Government's plan to legalize Gay Marriage, and the Pope himself got repeatedly involved in criticising Spain.
  2. The PP demonstrated in Salamanca (Franco's capital during the Civil War) against returning documents stolen from Catalunya by Franco on the grounds that the integrity of the Historical Archive was being compromised, despite the fact that copies were left behind.
  3. The PP organized a demonstration in Madrid against Zapatero suggesting that he would negotiate with ETA if and when it completely renounced armed struggle.
It is actually pretty appalling what the Spanish right will demonstrate against.

Additionally, the PP is clearly manipulating terrorism victims for political gain. The Association of Terrorism Victims toes the PP's line to such an extent, that the victims of March 11 (called traitors by the PP's supporters) have had to form their own separate association. Pilar Manjon, president of this association, had to endure personal insults when she testified before the parliamentary commission investigating the terrorist attacks.

The PP believes they belong in the Spanish government by birthright or, worse still, by virtue of having won the civil war (though they won't say this for obvious reasons).

Bleccchh.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Oct 5th, 2005 at 11:02:49 AM EST
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I agree the any sort of military action is extremely unilikely. The king would not stand for such a thing, and I find his story inspiring  being fitted to be the next absolute monarch of Spain, and embracing democracy instead.  (Viva Juan Carlos!)

I've been watching with interest the series of events in Spain the demonstrations are disturbing, but the attack on santiago Carillo, the incendiary rhethoric against Caod Rovira both during the Madid march prior to the Basque regional elections and the demonstration at Salamanca.

And I agree wholeheartedly about the PP's manipulation of terrorism, look what the bastards did to Pilar Majon.

The woman lost her son (pero los que mataron al hijo de Snra. Manjon no eran los corectos para Sr. Aznar y sus ideas de que paso en el 11-M.), yet the Spanish right sends her packing in fear for her life from Madrid.  Have they no sense of decency, but the answer should be clear there is no room for decency in the PP only the ego of Sr. Aznar and his lackeys.

HER plaintive cry for justice made her a standard-bearer for relatives of the victims of the Madrid train bombings and won the hearts of millions of Spaniards. But Pilar Manjon, whose 20-year-old son died in the blasts on March 11 last year, has had to flee her home after receiving death threats.

Ms Manjon, 46, has gone into hiding after being threatened by groups apparently associated with the opposition Popular Party, defeated by the Socialists in an election three days after the terrorist attacks.

I guess what really distrubs me is that I have always thought of the true madness of Spanish poltics to be the siutation in the Basque Country, but now this no holds barred attitude seems to be infecting the dialgoue in Catalunya. And the rest of the world remains oblvious. Having lived in Pamplona and seen what can only be described as the irrational response on the part of the Spanish gov't to the Basque situation, shuttering Egunkarria, banning HB , AUB, and going after PCTV-EHAK, resinforcing the siege mentality among Basque nationalist sympathizers instead of premoting dialouge and an end to arms.  Now this poison infrects the discussion in Cataluyna.  Spain can handle the Ibarratxe show with the antics that go on there, but I'm not sure that similiar madness in Catalunya isn't just bad news, very bad news.

And the world remains oblivious and CNN and the rest slander the zapatero gov't  on a continuing basis. They neer talk and Angel Berrueta,he was no angel, but no one dserved to die to preserve Aznar's lies about what happened on 11-M.

Such sadness, when there is hope for good things.  I've got to get to work.  I'm very happy to see both you an KCurie here.  Spain is important and misunderstood, hopefully we can act to change that here.


And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Wed Oct 5th, 2005 at 11:35:32 AM EST
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