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As Jerome, I'm happy to see you back here to inject an alternative view. For the rest, I'll sit this debate out as an observer and watch the chips falling. All I would like to say that on the gut-level this case feels "icky" to me, just like the Downing Street Memo. It's also like the Fahrenheit 9/11 movie: if only 5 or ten percent of that movie is factually true, something dirty is going on in the US administration. Having said all that, the instinct doesn't need to be right all the time.

Two things: wchurchill, do you have a link or a pdf to the report you refer to?

Secondly, I'm not seeing that much critical response to wchurchill's observation that Wilson's article and the report show discrepancies. I would like that a lot better than ignoring the post altogether, and I really don't care whether it is a right wing talking point. If it is one, disprove it. That's how evolutionists have completely mangled the creationist talking points and will do again with the Intelligent Design: disproving them, not by ignoring them. Anyone?

by Nomad on Thu Nov 17th, 2005 at 10:09:00 AM EST
Nomad, I have linked to that report (in pdf form - beware, it's huge), and gave the relevant page number. It is the Senate Whitewash Report of summer 2004, which utterly failed to hold the Bush government accountable - hence I compared it to the Hutton report, which tried to whitewash Bliar.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Nov 17th, 2005 at 11:01:19 AM EST
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Over 1 year old? Why would it be surprising that after 1 year of investigating a special counsel would have uncovered evidence contradicting the Congressional report? I mean, Fitzgeral has a reputation for being relentless. Even conservatives do not question his ability and honesty.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 17th, 2005 at 11:07:54 AM EST
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????

The relevance of that report in question is to the claim that Wilson lied, not anything Fitzgerald does. That is a separate question - the Bushites now spin as if Woodward's knowledge proves that Plame's identity was generally known to reporters, known before Libby started to talk about it. Which is bunk on its own, of course. What's interesting is that Woodward's informer (who doesn't think it was Cheney?) was willing to talk on his own to Fitzgerald - he either feels very secure for some reason, or feels endangered even more for another reason.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Nov 17th, 2005 at 11:21:01 AM EST
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Forgot to add: the reason that Fitzgerald couldn't uncover Woodward is most probably that Woodward didn't tell anyone. Which goes nicely against the Republican spin on the story.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Nov 17th, 2005 at 11:22:39 AM EST
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... Got so irked by the earlier responses that wove away the discussion that I missed the relevance of your post; I thought you were linking to the Hutton report. Nice way of me looking silly, posting directly underneath yours.

Thanks for your post DoDo; that was the kind of response I was looking for.

by Nomad on Thu Nov 17th, 2005 at 08:39:52 PM EST
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It may still have been flippant - I didn't have had the nerve to go into details over something I earlier saw covered to death. But below you find wchurchill going into details, and this time me too in my debunking.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 18th, 2005 at 07:55:50 AM EST
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portion of the report that refers to Joe Wilson, the ex-ambassador--maybe 7 or 8 pages.  It's really worth the read, IMHO
by wchurchill on Fri Nov 18th, 2005 at 03:09:36 AM EST
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I guess... I'm none the wiser myself. Again, I'm not touching this issue. I love watching James Bond movies (the old ones, anyway), but this is too much for a simple soul. I'll wish truth the best of luck.
by Nomad on Fri Nov 18th, 2005 at 06:04:47 AM EST
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