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Inspector Sarkozy's message to the citizens of Clichy

 Je sais que tu te demandes si j'ai tiré six coups ou seulement cinq. Tu sais, pour dire vrai, dans l'ardeur de la bagarre, j'ai un peu perdu le compte. Mais avec ce .44 Magnum, le plus puissant revolver du monde à te faire éclater la tête, la seule question à te poser, c'est de savoir si c'est ton jour de chance. Alors, fumier, c'est ton jour de chance aujourd'hui ?

Worked for Reagan.

by citizen k (sansracine yahoo.fr) on Wed Nov 2nd, 2005 at 10:50:57 PM EST
1.  Seven, yes, seven days of riots in France, and no reporting about it, especially in the US media, until recently.  

Yet, a small riot in New Orleans, if any, got all the headlines in the so-called mainssteam media.

2.  Is anyone calling for Chirac to resign?  

How come all the leftist/liberal/socialists were calling for George W. Bush to resign over a natural disaster?

by ilg37c on Thu Nov 3rd, 2005 at 12:00:33 AM EST
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Well, I don't think filling FEMA with incompetent flunkies was a natural disaster. But you are doing a hell of a job, M. Sarkozy.
by citizen k (sansracine yahoo.fr) on Thu Nov 3rd, 2005 at 08:46:44 AM EST
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of course.  Perhaps one of the largest natural disasters that the US has ever faced.  Odd, isn't it ?, that FEMA has been so competent in handling natural disasters for at least 10 years, hundreds of hurricanes for example; odd isn't it that the recent very damaging Florida hurricanes were well handled by the "incompetent flunkies at FEMA" whom you call a natural disaster.

Odder still that all of these other local governments, other than New Orleans, and Louisiana, seemed to understand that NO had the role of first responder, and LA the first backup role.

Let's remember that FEMA, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, was created only in 1979. It was formed to coordinate and focus federal response to major disasters - to "assist" local and state governments.

Common sense suggests that local and state governments are best able to prepare and plan for local disasters.

Is a Washington bureaucrat better suited to prepare for an earthquake in San Francisco, a hurricane in Florida, or a terrorist act in New York?

After the Sept. 11 attacks against the World Trade Center, no one suggested that the Bush administration should have been responsible for New York's disaster response or that federal agents should have been involved in the rescue of those trapped in the buildings.

Last year, four major hurricanes slammed into Florida. Governor Jeb Bush led the disaster response and did a remarkable job, with nothing happening like what we have seen in New Orleans.

The primary response in disasters has always come from local communities and state governments.

 First responders and the manpower to deal with emergencies come from local communities: police, fire and medical. Under our federal system, these local departments answer to local authorities, not those in Washington. These first responders are not even under federal control, nor do they have to follow federal orders.

In addition to local responders, every state in the Union has a National Guard.

 State National Guards answer first to the governor of each state, not to the president. The National Guard exists not to defend one state from an invasion by another state, but primarily for emergencies like the one we have witnessed in New Orleans and in other areas impacted by Katrina. (See: http://www.arng.army.mil/about_us/organization/command_structure.asp)

Newsmax.com

You might check this article out as it lays out the disaster responsibilities from NO's and LA's own disaster plans in some detail.  Here is just a snippet:
The plan makes it evident that New Orleans knew that evacuation of the civilian population was the primary responsibility of the city - not the federal government.

The city plan acknowledges its responsibility in the document:

As established by the City of New Orleans Charter, the government has jurisdiction and responsibility in disaster response. City government shall coordinate its efforts through the Office of Emergency Preparedness.

The city document also makes clear that decisions involving a proper and orderly evacuation lie with the governor, mayor and local authorities. Nowhere is the president or federal government even mentioned

While I think it is fair to criticize FEMA for errors made in what was probably the countries largest natural disaster, and they need upgrading of their capabilities as Jeb Bush, Governor of Florida said after Hurricane Wilma;

 Although Bush said that the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) had done a good job coordinating the immediate response when four hurricanes hit Florida last year, he criticized FEMA's actions during recovery.

 He cited the agency's "bureaucratic slowness" in securing long-term housing and loans, debris removal and reimbursement.

But to put the entire blame on them is totally illogical given the track record of FEMA when they work with competent state and local authorities.  Why wouldn't the incompetent flunkies have failed in all of these other disasters?  Why don't you even mention the failure of NO and LA?
by wchurchill on Thu Nov 3rd, 2005 at 06:36:08 PM EST
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I'm not sure if you're aware, but you're repeating right-wing propaganda and Newsmax is not a credible source.

FEMA had little respect as an agency until Clinton revamped it in the 90's and turned it into one of the most highly respected government agencies under the management of James Watt.  This is probably the reason for its good performance in the last 10 years.

Under the current administration, however, things have changed for the worse.  FEMA's incompetence has been on display prior to Katrina, but the previous few disasters, notably in Florida where folks are still living in tents, were not as nationally noticed.

Certainly, some things were done wrong on a local level during Katrina.  However, the Federal government was responsible for handling the disaster before the hurricane even reached land.  Cat 3 automatically means the Feds are responsible in the same way a 7.0 earthquake triggers this.  Also, the papers were all signed beforehand as a formality.

Not only did the Federal government completely bungle things, but there is some evidence to suggest that some of this was intentional, to "prove" their philosophy that "big" government shouldn't be depended upon.  

The responsibility for the magnitude of the tragedy, for the lack of rescue and supplies afterwards, lies squarely with FEMA and I, for one, will not be forgiving them for it.  Nor should any of us let them get away with the lies and obfuscation being propagated by the likes of Newsmax.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 3rd, 2005 at 07:43:52 PM EST
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correction -- James Witt, not "Watt."  Sorry, I was going from memory.  Here's the wikipedia entry on FEMA for a more complete history.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 3rd, 2005 at 07:48:14 PM EST
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right wing site.  and right after I hit the post button, i wished that i had not, because this thread should really focus on understanding the issues in paris.  and in addition, I'm certain there is blame to share on Katrina, and it would be better to wait for this Congressional report, and use that as a basis to evaluate the performance of all 3 levels of government that had responsiblity.
by wchurchill on Thu Nov 3rd, 2005 at 10:34:37 PM EST
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I had that exact thought when I hit post!  I don't know how a big, written rant can be claimed to have been impulsive, but somehow it is when I get caught up in things.

Sorry for taking the thread off topic.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 3rd, 2005 at 10:56:11 PM EST
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I don't know how a big, written rant can be claimed to have been impulsive, but somehow it is when I get caught up in things.
boy is this a true statement.  and it was me that took the thread off topic, not you.  but the way you put that made me smile and laugh, because it was like you were that little voice in the back of my mind.  thanks
by wchurchill on Fri Nov 4th, 2005 at 12:05:11 AM EST
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I dunno, subtle things like the Brownie emails recently released may have biased me, but I suppose I'm just sensitive to you know gross dereliction of duty and crap work. Odd how it is that the it's never Bush's fault or the fault of people he appoints.
by citizen k (sansracine yahoo.fr) on Thu Nov 3rd, 2005 at 10:16:57 PM EST
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