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LeMonde's third headline is "Les violences dans les banlieues relancent le débat sur la police de proximité"

"Violence in the surburb questions Suburb's Police's efficiency"

Pardon my english.

Who are the kidding? Theose people are torching cars throughout the Paris region, while every politician tries to get most political capital out of the situation.
The BBC talks about "riots", not "echaufourre" [incidents].
French newspaper have problem: they don't even expect the government to behave in any other way that it is right now.
As jerome says, nothing good is too be expected of them. Problem is, it may be so until 2012 if the Duke of Sarko is elected.

Rien n'est gratuit en ce bas monde. Tout s'expie, le bien comme le mal, se paie tot ou tard. Le bien c'est beaucoup plus cher, forcement. Celine

by UnEstranAvecVueSurMer (holopherne ahem gmail) on Thu Nov 3rd, 2005 at 09:31:20 AM EST
The "police de proximité" (neighborood police) was put in place under the Jospin government and was eliminated by Sarkozy in 2002 during his first stint as minister for the interior. It was generally considered to be a successful reform (to have the police de proximité) as the police officers knew their neighborood and were less confrontational with the kids, and there was more communication.

But in 2002, Sarkozy cut funding for Seine Saint Denis to send police to Western Paris (i.e. the posh suburbs) which already had more policer per inhabitant and lower crime rates...

Sarkozy is a catastrophe.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 3rd, 2005 at 09:56:01 AM EST
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"Les violences dans les banlieues relancent le débat sur la police de proximité"

"Violence in the surburb questions Suburb's Police's efficiency"

Nothing about "efficiency" in the French original, is there? I would translate

"Violent incidents in the suburbs reignite the debate on proximity police."

tens of millions of people stand to see their lives ruined because the bureaucrats at the ECB don't understand introductory economics -- Dean Baker

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 3rd, 2005 at 10:27:11 AM EST
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Do not translate what you think the sentence means to avoid scratching your head. Lesson learned, thanks.

The french newspaper Liberation now uses the word "emeutes"[riots]. I still think that in France the importance of what has happened will be downplayed. First on the problems themselves, as no one will dare tell the extent of the violence that has spread.
Second, on why the current administration can't focus on problems at hand; they will not face to failure of politics as a job for the french elite. Politics in France are a way to make a living: while at some point it was believed to be a good things [remnants of the french aristocracy?] it may be time to question the permanent conflict of interest that this conception creates

Rien n'est gratuit en ce bas monde. Tout s'expie, le bien comme le mal, se paie tot ou tard. Le bien c'est beaucoup plus cher, forcement. Celine

by UnEstranAvecVueSurMer (holopherne ahem gmail) on Thu Nov 3rd, 2005 at 12:50:35 PM EST
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Well, actually, you have to translate what you think the sentence means. For instance:
*La violence would be "violence", but what to make of the plural les violences? Hence the "incidents".
*relancer also poses problems with literal translation, as does police de proximité: Jérôme's "neighbourhood police" is best.

tens of millions of people stand to see their lives ruined because the bureaucrats at the ECB don't understand introductory economics -- Dean Baker
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 3rd, 2005 at 01:34:28 PM EST
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That's the term for the concept in English or at least American. Literal translation can sometimes lead one astray.
by MarekNYC on Fri Nov 4th, 2005 at 12:00:12 AM EST
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