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Of course, Sarkozy's inflammatory rhetoric eggs on the rioters (or so some of them claim fairly credibly) and yes, there are probably some policing techniques that are more effective than others although the "Police Nationale" is a pretty unwieldy, one size fits all, type of an organization with no connection or responsibility to local authorities such as mayors.  The right wing's political maneuvering around the issue is disgusting while the left's relative restraint is a pleasant surprise.
Nevertheless, I think the real question is why have French institutions and the social model failed so badly over the past decades, under left and right wing governments, in dealing with the "banlieue" issues and where do we go from here?
by Guillaume on Thu Nov 3rd, 2005 at 11:50:18 AM EST
I am just crossposting my comments made under Fran's articles, becaused I think it would be good to focus a thread on this issue.  (Sorry if this is against policy).

There has been little coverage in the American press until today's NY Times article.

Burning cars as a form of protest is not unusual in the largely immigrant, working-class neighborhoods. Unemployment rates there are 30 percent or more, while the national rate is 10 percent. More than 20,000 cars have been set ablaze in France so far this year, according to a government report cited by the newspaper Le Figaro.
The periodic violence highlights France's failure to integrate immigrants into the country's broader society, a problem that has grown in urgency as the unemployment rate climbs. Most of the country's immigrants are housed in government-subsidized apartments on the outskirts of industrial cities. They benefit from generous welfare programs, but the government's failure to provide jobs has created a sense of disenfranchisement among the young. A highly observant form of Islam has grown popular among the mostly Muslim population.

And just noting from the Guardian above:

Not for the first time, the unrest has highlighted tensions between wealthy big cities and their grim ghettoised banlieues, home to immigrants from the Maghreb and West Africa who have never been fully integrated into French society and have become an underclass for whom hopelessness and discrimination are normal.

I would appreciate any reference to background on these stories, so we have some context for them. I note whataboutbob raising this as an issue yesterday, and a few early questions also arising on the site.   Certainly there was awareness in America about issues with a growing Muslim population, but more around stories about how negative and Fascist La Pen is, and recent stories on banning Muslim headscarves in schools.  Are the above stories accurate on balance?
by wchurchill on Thu Nov 3rd, 2005 at 12:30:17 PM EST
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Thanks for crossposting here. This morning, I tohught the discussion would go on in the other thread, but it is more logical here.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 3rd, 2005 at 02:01:08 PM EST
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wchurchill: just read the Guardian article you're referring to, and yes, their reporting is quite accurate and overall on the mark:

  • accidental death by electrocution of 2 teenagers (from immigrant families) while hiding from the police in a power substation last Thursday. Random ID checks is a common form of harassment of young people by the police in France, especially of young males of North African descent who are the main targets of racism in this country. Sad but true.

  • interior minister, Nicolas Sarkozy "Law & Order" posturing, throwing gasoline on the fire by his inflammatory comments (no pun intended), positioning himself for the upcoming 2007 presidential election.

  • minister of social cohesion, Jean-Louis Borloo, acknowledging the overall failure of French society in dealing with its poorest and most marginalized part (saw him on TV this morning).

  • Chirac & de Villepin waking up and realizing that the whole thing is getting out of control and that Sarkozy's "playing with matches" is now threatening to burn their house...

The only silver lining: besides the two kids who were accidentally electrocuted last week, no fatalities or even serious injuries were reported; just property damage; so far...

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Thu Nov 3rd, 2005 at 05:08:53 PM EST
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The decline and neglect areas may perhaps parallel similar occurences in big cities in the US and the UK. There the force driving this neglect is strucutral.

The parties of the right will naturally focus resources on the richer areas that support them. Leftist parties and policies attempt to ameliorate the situation when they are in office, but the swing voters reside mostly in the middle class and thus the balance of political power militates against the poorer areas.

This effect is most pronounced in large cities because community feeling is always lower across such a large electorate. Once you add in some elements of race and culture clash it gets increasingly difficult.

I often feel that this is one of the unspoken challenges of the coming years for the left. How do we build the sense of community in an increasingly atomised world? It is only with a sense of community that a mandate for "the common good" can be established.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Nov 3rd, 2005 at 03:39:32 PM EST
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