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I think there is enough evidence that you can't have a functioning democracy without a modicum of economic prosperity. Corruption is a weak excuse to withhold aid and/or maintain trade barriers. Help these countries develop a middle class and you'll see how quickly the dictators go away.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Nov 21st, 2005 at 08:45:15 AM EST
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It's tough to convince the public to give dictators and such a break that will come (partially) from their wallet- people usually look no further than their own wallet.

Though i agree with you, I hesitate when It think about giving countries like Zimbabwe a break... or other gay-bashing rulers in Africa. Even though trade is too blunt a instrument to spread human rights, it doensn't feel right to help such people.

And some of the new money will go into the pockets of the old corrupt elite, which will try to sustain it's position- i reckon by war. And there's been enough of that in Africa for the last 15 years.  

by koenzel (koen@vanschie.net) on Mon Nov 21st, 2005 at 11:04:36 AM EST
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I'm not talking so much about charitable donations as about lifting economic sanctions and allowing trade.

The same people who want to boycott certain African countries rightly point out the human costs of the UN sanction regime on Iraq in the 1990's.

Strangulating the people is not the way to weaken an authoritarian regime. You need to strengthen the people, and the regime will only be weakened by exchange with the outside world.

You don't have to treat Mugabe like a democrat, just don't institute policies that will make the Zimbabwean people more dependent on handouts from his government.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Nov 21st, 2005 at 11:15:27 AM EST
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You've got a good point, the problem is that many 'bad' countries won't allow direct aid to their inhabitants because they see that it would destroy their position. And i talked about trade, even though it would benefit us all, it will take away some jobs and might lead to less taxes.

The question how to help the inhabitants of countries run by dictators is extremely difficult. When I look at Zimbabwe, I would almost favor regime-change. Almost.

by koenzel (koen@vanschie.net) on Mon Nov 21st, 2005 at 02:34:16 PM EST
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... you mean armed, international intervention?

Well, I already crossed that line with Mugabe. I'd welcome intervention. The only reason that 5 million people haven't died is because emigrants in South Africa uphold them with food and money fluxes. And then there are the damn Chineses... Good grief, this subject makes me angry.

by Nomad on Mon Nov 21st, 2005 at 05:06:55 PM EST
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