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"Now, the Dutch Army is withdrawing from Iraq. Great. But they shouldn't have been there in the first place! In spite of massive opposition Balkenende followed Bush and joined 'the coalition of the willing'. He was very eager to show his support and destroy the chance for a European front."

Nevertheless, great diaries and good insight into Dutch politics - appreciated!

See full comment at my diary :: I'm A Fan of Jan Peter!

ELECTION SUMMARY ::

Year   1998   2002   2003
PvdA     45     23     42
VVD      38     24     28  
CDA      29     43     44

Coalition talks started in February 2003 between Election winner CDA Jan Peter Balkenende and new Labor leader Wouter Bos who made a great recovery for PvdA with 42 seats in parliament. On the agenda was the likelihood of an Iraq War and whether the Dutch should be part of the U.S. and U.K. coalition. As the present administration was not permitted to force a decision due to their post election status, Jan Peter Balkenende needed to have the 2nd largest party PvdA support for Iraq action.


Wouter Bos flip-flop

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My diary @dKos ::
Dutch Aid to Iraq leads to Fatwa by Ali Sistani
Sun Dec 12, 2004 at 12:30 PM PDT

"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

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by Oui on Tue Nov 22nd, 2005 at 09:28:42 AM EST
That wasn't one of his finest moments!

But it was understandable- the war started in the middle of coalition negotiations that would've ended directly if Labour had opposed the war. This was the reason they supported it, they didn't like the war or thought there'd be WMD. This is another reason why many left-wing voters currently reside with the smaller left-wing parties in the polls.

by koenzel (koen@vanschie.net) on Tue Nov 22nd, 2005 at 10:30:52 AM EST
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Sometimes you just have to sit out of government on principle.

tens of millions of people stand to see their lives ruined because the bureaucrats at the ECB don't understand introductory economics -- Dean Baker
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 22nd, 2005 at 10:34:30 AM EST
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Precisely, and that is why there are some doubts about the leadership abilities of Bos. He hasn't done that much in the last few years, and this certainly doesn't look good on his resume (though it was viewed as necessary at the time as it would be a stumbling block to form a coalition).

Bos also didn't really want to govern- he wanted time to 'purge' the party of  'bad' member before he wanted to enter government. But then he scored a homerun on election eve. So not entering government might've been the best for Labour (though not for the country)

by koenzel (koen@vanschie.net) on Tue Nov 22nd, 2005 at 10:48:56 AM EST
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He never supported the war.. although the "political support" compromise attempt in parliament was confusing and dumb.

For the story from his side, as stated on March 19th 2003, see here (in Dutch).

by Frank (wijsneus-aht-gmail-doht-com) on Tue Nov 22nd, 2005 at 05:04:39 PM EST
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As elder statesman and former FM in cabinet Den Uijl and van Agt -dutch- , has great esteem by all politicians at Binnenhof, Parliament and Senate.

Mr. van der Stoel has done excellent reporting on Human Rights abuse during Greece dictatorship Colonel's Regime and Saddam Hussein's Stalin dictatorship during the nineties. His UN report is exceptional and of influence to consider Dutch participation in the Coalition of the Willing. The Kurd massacre played a role as well. The PvdA was divided after meeting with Max vd Stoel to formulate policy during coalition talks in March 2003.

OSCE - Max van der Stoel Award 2005
Max van der Stoel Raad van State -dutch-
RISQ - Iraq & International Social Questions

"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

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by Oui on Tue Nov 22nd, 2005 at 03:17:07 PM EST
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To be fair: they didn't support it. They waffled on the issue a bit, because of being in the negotiations. However, they actually did come out against it if it wasn't done within a UN mandate. Which it wasn't.

The government stance at the time wasn't very firm either: "moral but not military support". Which was also a consequence of the new government negotiations going on at the time.

by Frank (wijsneus-aht-gmail-doht-com) on Tue Nov 22nd, 2005 at 04:49:56 PM EST
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To correct myself: it was "political support", a rather vague compromise concept that was used by the (lame duck) government in an attempt to prevent a CDA-PvdA (who were in negotiations) clash on the issue.

Unfortunately, multiple people gave multiple explanations for it, etc.

by Frank (wijsneus-aht-gmail-doht-com) on Tue Nov 22nd, 2005 at 05:01:47 PM EST
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