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(TALGO trains, in Spanish)

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 22nd, 2005 at 11:47:56 AM EST
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Actually, the origins of this technology were for trains to France, but this fast automatic one was developed for domestic high-speed trains.

Other readers might not know, so some further background: Spain has a broad-gauge network, but when it built its first high-speed line (opened 1992), in view of later linkup with the Trans-European network (which won't happen till 2009 at the earliest), it was built in normal gauge. But there is an even grander and bolder plan, considered earlier already but more seriously now under PM Zapatero, is to convert the entire network to normal gauge in two-three decades. In the meantime, however, to extend trains beyond the existting high-speed lines, the technology shown in the link was developed. (Since then another Spanish company, CAF developed its own rival system; both have contracts about a few dozen 250 km/h trainsets for Spanish railways.) An English page on the Talgo prototype can be viewed here.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Nov 22nd, 2005 at 12:15:51 PM EST
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Apparently Russia also has a different gauge from the rest of mainland Europe. The story is that in both cases the gauge was chosen to prevent France from invading by train (thank Napoleon for that one), but I don't know if that's true.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 22nd, 2005 at 12:22:35 PM EST
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Hah! At least in the case of Russia, I heard something similar - but the theory was disproved in both world wars, when track gangs proved quite fast in changing gauges (done easily on traditional wood sleepers).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Nov 22nd, 2005 at 12:45:02 PM EST
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I remember the Irun railway station in Spain at the border crossing with France which was were all trains from Paris ended and if you wanted to continue on you had to change trains. I always perceived it as a way to control rail traffic into Spain especially under Franco but I'm no expert on the Spanish rail system.

Here is some info on the Russian gauge from Wikipedia

In the nineteenth century, Russia chose a broader gauge. It is widely believed that the choice was made for military reasons, to prevent potential invaders from using their rail system. Others point out that no clear standard had emerged by 1842. Engineer Pavel Melnikov hired George Washington Whistler, a prominent American railroad engineer (and father of the artist James McNeill Whistler), to be a consultant on the building of Russia's first major railroad, the Moscow - St. Petersburg line. The selection of 1.5 m gauge was recommended by German and Austrian engineers, it was not the same as the 5 ft (1524 mm) gauge which was in common use in the southern United States at the time. Russia and most of the former Russian Empire, including the Baltic states, Ukraine, Belarus, the Caucasian and Central Asian republics, and Mongolia, have the official Russian measurement of 1520 mm, 4 mm narrower than 5 ft (1524 mm), though rolling stock of both gauges is interchangeable in practice.

Another interesting short article on the history of rail gauges is here.

I've always loved trains!

by Alexandra in WMass (alexandra_wmass[a|t]yahoo[d|o|t]fr) on Tue Nov 22nd, 2005 at 01:03:14 PM EST
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Another interesting story about TALGO (which I don't know whether it's true or not) is that, on the higher-quality, more level, less-curvature high-speed lines, TALGO trains are as fast as the much more expensive high-speed AVE trains.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 22nd, 2005 at 12:27:03 PM EST
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I'm not sure what this information refers to, it could be multiple things.

  • One is that the first-generation AVE trains, which are TGV clones, started service in 1992 at reduced top speed - it was raised to 300 km/h only later.
  • The other possibility is that before Córdoba, there is a mountain crossing with strong grades, and the TGV just can't maintain top speed there.
  • The third possibility is a comparison done on the second high-speed line, the Madrid-Zaragoza-Lleida one, on which (due to a new signalling system still not ready for regular service) top speed is restricted to 200 km/h.
  • The fourth possibility is that the reference is to the new S102 class AVE train, which was manufactured by Talgo (factory name: Talgo350), and is capable of 330 km/h - tough it will go that fast only after the signalling is working (lot of pictures here).


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Nov 22nd, 2005 at 12:53:09 PM EST
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