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I'm just pointing out that people usually think of gold as a sure asset that will not lose its value in a time of crisis, but if you think about what the value of gold hinges on, it's as much of a fiat currency as any other.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 23rd, 2005 at 05:51:46 PM EST
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Well, it's a tangible symbol of worth and, as long as everyone agrees on its value, it is something to hold on to when trust breaks down.  But, in essence, you're correct.  The problem in discussing these things, is that it's difficult for people to grasp certain intangibles when certain dynamics are in play.

And I wouldn't say that the whole idea of gold was to bribe favors from the powerful.  I'd say it was a tangible manifestation of something of agreed upon value that could be used to back up pieces of paper that we would trade -- something to show so it wasn't all just trust.

But, if a monarch or country printed pieces of paper based on gold that was hidden somewhere, but in reality that gold had been looted -- would the rulers still fight to protect the hiding spot?  It's been shown throughout history that they'll fight harder to protect the revelation that there's no gold than they would to protect the actual gold.

So at what point does it make a difference?  And when one thing is a symbol of something else that may or may not even exist, does that make the subsequent warring any less real?  Because I'd argue that much of the behavior we're witnessing right now is a result of something like gold fever, even though there's no gold involved.  

The oil, having some useful purpose, actually clouds our vision when we're trying to understand what's going on.  Just because we have a fiat currency, doesn't eliminate the human impulses behind certain behaviors we've seen in the past.  That's why I think some things can be about the oil and have nothing to do with oil at the same time.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 23rd, 2005 at 06:16:05 PM EST
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"A symbol of worth that everyone agrees on" is a fiat currency. It is a symbol, and its value is consensual.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 23rd, 2005 at 06:23:10 PM EST
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Exactly my original point!  My point (in case it is as really fucking confusing to you at this point as it has become to me), is that there can be a percieved threat to this idea and that, because it is intangible, it will be fought more ferociously.  What point are you making?  And please, please to not bring math into it!  My head's gonna explode already!!

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 23rd, 2005 at 06:30:45 PM EST
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We're just agreeing to agree.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 23rd, 2005 at 06:38:55 PM EST
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Oh, thank goodness!  Can we tell each other how smart and wonderful we are now?  Migeru, you're like a brother to me!!  Well, except that math thing would be sort of freakish in my family, but besides that...

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 23rd, 2005 at 06:46:09 PM EST
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You're so smart and wonderful, please spare me the compliments.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 23rd, 2005 at 06:48:51 PM EST
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