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Alas... Practice is one thing, but having a fluent, easy, humorous, writing style in English is just another !!!! (It's so easy in french!)

"What can I do, What can I write, Against the fall of Night". A.E. Housman
by margouillat (hemidactylus(dot)frenatus(at)wanadoo(dot)fr) on Wed Nov 23rd, 2005 at 04:07:32 AM EST
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It's the same challenge for all of us who are not of English mother tongue. So, this makes this diary a even greater work.

Interesting topic. I agree with you it is not the material, it is the architects. I have been in favor of a law that would force the architects to live or work at least for one year in each building they build. My guess is they would improve pretty fast.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 23rd, 2005 at 04:19:01 AM EST
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LOL :-)

Some did it ! But hey are now of a past generation (circa 80 years old)!

"What can I do, What can I write, Against the fall of Night". A.E. Housman

by margouillat (hemidactylus(dot)frenatus(at)wanadoo(dot)fr) on Wed Nov 23rd, 2005 at 04:46:07 AM EST
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It's the same challenge for all of us who are not of English mother tongue. So, this makes this diary a even greater work.

And it's even a challenge for some who ARE of English mother tongue. :)

by gradinski chai on Wed Nov 23rd, 2005 at 08:35:01 AM EST
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Why do we restrict ourselves to writing in English? Has this issue been discussed?

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 23rd, 2005 at 08:43:01 AM EST
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Perhaps out of an abundance of generosity to we ignorant Americans who know little else?   Well I for one appreciate your consideration.


Somewhere in cyberspace, the ghost of de Chardin is smiling.
by budr on Wed Nov 23rd, 2005 at 10:08:13 AM EST
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I often find myself pointing out some resource to a fellow Spaniard only to be dismissed with the argument "uf, that's in English!".

From the Eurobarometer on Europeans and Languages, English is the most common foreign language at 34%, followed by German at 12% and French at 11%, and finally Spanish and Russian at 5%. On page 10 there is a table of "languages most commonly used". They are, in order:

  • English 47%
  • German 30%
  • French 23%
  • Italian 15%
  • Spanish 14%


Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 23rd, 2005 at 10:22:02 AM EST
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Long ago in another life I studied Spanish at a small liberal arts college.  I was fascinated by the evolution of the Romance languages as the Roman empire dissolved and regional dialects of Latin acquired the unique characteristics of their own time and place and people.

For good or ill the imperial language of this age is English.  As the sun, having already sat on the British empire, declines in the west of the American, I can't help but wonder what family of English-based (or, more accurately, Germanic-based) languages scholars will study a millenium or two from now.  And I can't help but wonder what the lingua franca of that age will be.  I would not be at all surprised if it were some dialect of Chinese.

Somewhere in cyberspace, the ghost of de Chardin is smiling.

by budr on Wed Nov 23rd, 2005 at 11:48:29 AM EST
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Yeah, Chinese is second on my list of languages to learn next (Czech is first, on account of my girlfriend).

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 23rd, 2005 at 11:52:34 AM EST
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Fairly extensively discussed, actually. Anyone can write in their own tongue, though the problem will be limited understanding by the readers who don't read that language...and then there's the danger of a writing becoming National/regional. Plus, as others have noted, there's us ignorant English-only readers (have mercy on us). English has been sorta accepted as the common tongue...though, again, that shouldn't stop someone...it would just take someone interpreting. (And I tried the interpreter, but the device is very literal, so the subtle meanings are lost...)

Half the population is under the age of 18. Tanzania's future is NOW...join the 50% campaign!
by whataboutbob on Wed Nov 23rd, 2005 at 10:33:47 AM EST
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I was wondering whether something similar to Booman's could be set up where there would be recommended diary lists in different languages instead of different regions.

It might only make sense for German and French given the number of first- and second-language speakers (see my Eurobarometer summary elsewhere on this thread).

Then again, ET is too small to fragment in that way. On the other hand, does deference to the < 13% English monolinguals justify leaving out the 53% of EU residents who don't feel they can hold a conversation in English?

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 23rd, 2005 at 10:44:25 AM EST
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Plus, my German (and French) are shadows of their former self... it would be fun and instructive to blog in them. And you yourself, living in a German-Speaking canton and working in a French-Speaking one, could benefit from trilingual blogging!

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 23rd, 2005 at 10:53:28 AM EST
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I have been in favor of a law that would force the architects to live or work at least for one year in each building they build.

Some years ago I worked as an electrician.  A common grumble among those I worked with was that architects should be required to build their first design with their own hands.

Somewhere in cyberspace, the ghost of de Chardin is smiling.

by budr on Wed Nov 23rd, 2005 at 09:54:28 AM EST
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I used to be a landscape gardener, and I used to wish the landscape architects would have to trim the bushes they planted on those hillsides....

Half the population is under the age of 18. Tanzania's future is NOW...join the 50% campaign!
by whataboutbob on Wed Nov 23rd, 2005 at 10:35:00 AM EST
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Have no fear on that score, mon ami.  Your English is much better than mine.

Somewhere in cyberspace, the ghost of de Chardin is smiling.
by budr on Wed Nov 23rd, 2005 at 09:51:54 AM EST
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