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Thanks TG for that detailed diary.

I'd like to make one point which links to Migeru's mention of hysteresis and transition effects. The first reaction to unemployment was to increase protection for the "insiders", and create that class of "outsiders".

That also led companies to focus on insider-poor investments, i.e. they started hiring less not to be stuck with "insiders" should there be a downturn: more capital-intensive investment (explaining the higher productivity of insiders), and an ebb and flow of outsiders depending on outside demand.

When the persistence of high unemployment made this situation unpalatable, the answer was finally to stop protecting insiders so much. The problem is that there had been pretty irreversible changes in the meantime:

  • companies have gotten used to investing incapital rather than in labor;

  • the outsiders have lost the social and professional competences required to join asily the mainstream and are not easily recruited into the "inside"

  • insiders are unhappy to see their protections eroded while unemployment is not obviously improving, and thus overall morale sags, with detrimental effects on the economy.

And despite all this, job growth has been better in the eurozone than the US - weird, isn't it?

Maybe we should focus more on that "morale" and economic well being perceptions effects. If you are told all the time that we are in a crisis much worse than the others, then you believe it, and it becomes politically self-fulfilling.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Nov 23rd, 2005 at 04:54:41 AM EST
Is the emphasis on capital-intensive investment necessarily inconsistent with the slowdown in investment and capital accumulation that Blanchard cites?

I guess there could have been less overall investment, but what investment there was tended toward the capital-intensive?

by TGeraghty on Wed Nov 23rd, 2005 at 05:09:16 AM EST
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To be honest, I was surprised about that info on investment slowdown. I remember distinctly numbers that showed the exact opposite, with investment remaining much stronger in the eurozone than in the USa and UK. I need to dig this up again.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Nov 23rd, 2005 at 05:19:40 AM EST
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Yeah, I was just looking at the US numbers and there was no slowdown in gross domestic investment.

There was a slowdown in net investment between the late 1970s and the 1980s/90s because much of the later investment was in things that depreciate rapidly like computers and software.

I'll have to take a closer look at that.

by TGeraghty on Wed Nov 23rd, 2005 at 06:34:05 AM EST
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Here's something. Robert Brenner in his book The Boom and the Bubble lays out some numbers that (if they are right) seem to verify what Blanchard is saying:

                    Net                Growth Rate of
                Profit Rate          Capital Stock
             1950-70  1970-93  1950-70 1970-93
US             12.9%    9.9%     3.8%    3.0%
Germany    23.2     13.8        6.0       2.6
Japan         21.6     17.2        9.4       7.1
G-7            17.6     13.3        4.5       4.3

but . . .

France        24.2     21.0        3.6       4.7

doesn't seem to fit the pattern (although the years are a little different, starting in 1952 and ending in 1987).

The numbers are from OECD and this book.

by TGeraghty on Wed Nov 23rd, 2005 at 12:53:55 PM EST
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Well, the eurozone has done better in 96-05, but not so well in 86-96. How much of that is (dare I ask it!) cyclical?
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Nov 23rd, 2005 at 05:40:37 AM EST
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The problem is that there had been pretty irreversible changes in the meantime
Exactly: reversing an economic policy (or any kind of policy, for that matter) will  not restore the previous situation because the system has changed in the meantime.

A point that Stuart Kauffman has been talking about for a while (but in a subdued way since he has no clue how to tackle it) is that in biological evolution (and by analogy in economics), evolution does not happen in a fixed "fitness landscape" but the landscape changes as evolution progresses.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 23rd, 2005 at 07:01:29 AM EST
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the landscape changes as evolution progresses. _

This is very important.  

What this means is the local minima/maxima of the Agents in a fitness landscape can remain "the same" in relative terms but "improve" in overall terms by raising the fitness landscape.  To illustrate:  If A is at 2 and B is at 3 and the landscape is at 1 then the total of A is 3 and B at 4.  "Improving" the fitness landscape to 3 means A is now at 4 and B at 5.  The relative distance of A to B is remains the same but the objective net increase _is 2 although you can't determine it by comparing A and B.

Another way to put it:  a rising tide lifts all boats.

by ATinNM on Wed Nov 23rd, 2005 at 12:23:39 PM EST
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Another way to put it: everyone needs to run faster just to stay in place.

And the point is not that the fitness landscape rises more or less rigidly, but that the shape of the lanscape changes, and even the dimensionality of the space. In other words, suddenly you find yourself solving a qualitatively different problem.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 23rd, 2005 at 12:26:57 PM EST
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To drop some terminology... you are talking about coevolution. Kauffman is concerned with speciation, and the role of neutral mutations.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 23rd, 2005 at 12:44:56 PM EST
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It was kind of you to respond as you did and not with the more blunt "ATinNM, you're blowing smoke up people's arses!"  8-)

Well.  Yeah.  Each of those are also possible.  

by ATinNM on Wed Nov 23rd, 2005 at 02:13:33 PM EST
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