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Thanks for the facinating diary, Dodo.

And now for the non-PC rant. Security measures suggested by politicians after train crashes are some of the stupidest, least effective things that can be done. They usually include spending billions on measures that are unlikely to save more than a few lives per year, if that - and would be much more usefully spent on road safety, or fighting certain kinds of diseases (not to mention, if the purpose is to save lives, things like fighting malaria in the third world).

Big train catastrophes, like plane accidents, are extremely rare but seem to generate passionate responses in the public (becuase we all take the train BUT we don't drive it ourselves and are thus not "in control" - extraordinary precautions must thus be taken, obviously, to protect us from all these incompetents).

The real remedies, those suggested by your diary, are never discussed in the public outcry (they may end up being done by the railway company if it has good engineers in management, but it will have little relation to the political noise made around the catastrophe).

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Nov 28th, 2005 at 10:54:56 AM EST
Which is why, in general, before passing any new legislation in response to a catastrophe there should be some kind of parliamentary inquiry. To cool off and call in the experts and see if the proposed new rules would have prevented the disaster had they been in place.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Nov 28th, 2005 at 11:02:42 AM EST
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Yes, agreed to that!

On the other hand, I don't want to sound insensitive, but trainwrecks (and airplane crashes and shipwrecks) don't just have a number of killed effect, but a money effect too - and even if more lives could be saved with that money elsewhere, it is often the case that the disaster costs much more than the safety measure that fell victim to some cost-saving measure.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Nov 28th, 2005 at 01:02:21 PM EST
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the disaster costs much more than the safety measure that fell victim to some cost-saving measure
So it increases the GDP!

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Nov 28th, 2005 at 01:06:17 PM EST
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I should start a weekly competition for the most un-PC lampooning of neoliberal buzzwords... (I would be a mere novice, but what you, Colman or afew produce on a daily basis cracks me up :-))

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Nov 28th, 2005 at 01:08:46 PM EST
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Yes, but the secret which eludes most is "which" safety step will be necessary.  To be perfectly safe, take no risk at all.  Simple solution, but the safe solution.  

And to clarify, one of the reasons for the inner/damper/outer wheel design is to dampen vibration, not for "ride quality" but to keep vibration from causing a structural failure of the wheel.  This wheel design has also grounded the Acela trains here in the US, finding the right damper material is a challenge.  

by btower on Mon Nov 28th, 2005 at 04:08:05 PM EST
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And to clarify, one of the reasons for the inner/damper/outer wheel design is to dampen vibration, not for "ride quality" but to keep vibration from causing a structural failure of the wheel.

It may have been for the sake of the wheel on other vehicles (tough I never heard of this - and a two-part wheel seems more prone to failure to vibration even on a tramway to me), but not the ICE.

The German Railways in fact first tried to run ICEs without any form of dampening, but the result was the infamous "Dröhnen" (carbody vibrations so strong it can be heard), and a rather unsteady run of the biggest car, the restaurant car.

I don't remember the use of such wheels in the Acela, I have to look it up.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Nov 28th, 2005 at 04:22:06 PM EST
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btower, I looked, and I found absolutely nothing about the Acela being retrofitted with two-part wheels. You must have conflated the earlier wheel profile problem and the newer yaw damper problem.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Nov 28th, 2005 at 04:30:30 PM EST
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the secret which eludes most is "which" safety step will be necessary.

All of those I mentioned were necessary, and at some stage foreseen. The technical people did see their necessity in advance.

A similar issue is that of tunnels and tunnel fires. I predict right now that there will be a catastrophic tunnel fire in some European rail tunnel opened in the last 10 years, in which the investigation will find that escape shafts were placed too infrequently.

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by DoDo on Mon Nov 28th, 2005 at 04:34:39 PM EST
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