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Just to show that the LocustWatch Statistical Debunking Service(TM) does not have an anti-American bias:
If we strictly look at unemployment figures as a sign of how well the society is integrated, the situation in America is actually far worse. Statistically, African American unemployment is twice as high as White unemployment compared to France, where the unemployment among people of French origin is only 55% lower than that of the immigrant population.
Let's take this one one bit at a time...
  • US: ratio of Black to White unemployment rates: "twice" or 2:1.
  • France: ratio of immigrant to French unemployment rates: 100:45 or 2.2:1.
Ahem.

See? This is what happens when people don't pay attention to their seventh-grade math lessons on fractions. (Now you know why my pre-calculus freshmen students hated my guts).

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 4th, 2005 at 03:55:02 AM EST
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states that America's unemployment rate for blacks as a ratio to white's is actually worse than France's ratio of immigrqants to French origin.  But their actual number show America is actually about 10% better on that ratio.  Correct?
by wchurchill on Fri Nov 4th, 2005 at 12:59:12 PM EST
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Correct, except that he got the 55% figure backwards, so the US figures are actually worse than the French figure just like he argued. See my other comment above.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 4th, 2005 at 07:30:35 PM EST
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Uhm. I think you have it a little bit wrong:

US Ratio is 10% : 5% or 2:1 as you correctly pointed out.
French Ratio (if we look at the original post) 14% : 9.2% or actually 1.52:1, which is a much better situation than what you paint in your post.
Not to mention the fact that Jerome's post from below shows an even smaller difference between unemployment rates for immigrants and locals.
I appreciate your statistical vigor, but I got my ratios down pretty well, thanks :)

Mikhail from SF

by Tsarrio (dj_tsar@yahoo.com) on Fri Nov 4th, 2005 at 01:17:45 PM EST
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Well, actually, 9.2% is 65% of 14%, so the correct statements are:
  • French unemployment is 35% lower than immigrant unemployment
  • immigrant unemployment is 52% higher than french unemployment
You did say French unemployment is 55% lower than immigrnat unemployment, which is backwards.

In the case of the US,

  • White unemployment is 50% lower than black unemployment
  • black unemployment is 100% higher than white unemployment.

Sorry to nitpick.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 4th, 2005 at 07:28:59 PM EST
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Or to make it even simpler, look at the right hand side of Jerome's graph at the bottom. Does it look like the unemployment bar for immigrants in France is twice as big as the natives'? :)

Mikhail from SF
by Tsarrio (dj_tsar@yahoo.com) on Fri Nov 4th, 2005 at 01:22:10 PM EST
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I did not realize you were referring to the figures of 9.2% and 14$ quoted in the diary.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 4th, 2005 at 07:49:58 PM EST
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Except that the graph below is about "indépendants" i.e. self-employed, bot about unemployed. There are no numbers about unemployment in that graph.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Sat Nov 5th, 2005 at 03:12:05 AM EST
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