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Incidently, dailKos represents the very leftmost wing (or populist wing, really; no socialists or greens need apply) of American politics. What you see there is completely non-representative of general opinion.
by asdf on Sat Nov 5th, 2005 at 12:19:18 PM EST
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DKos is the left most MAINSTREAM politics site that is important. (actually it is probably the most important political blog in the world, and I don't think I exagerrate). If you take the front page posters, there opinions are really those of the left half of the Democratic Party, and are representative of views of maybe 20 to 30% of the population. True, socialists and greens are marginalized in the American political system, but this does not mean they don't exist. Indeed, I think politicians representing positions to the left of the Democratic Party could probably receive 5 to 10% of the national vote in a system of proportional representation. And, of course, some of those 5 to 10% post at Kos. But Kos's reach is ideologically much larger than this. Indeed, I read the site several times a day, and I'd guess I'm to the right of most of the people who post there, (although less so compared to say, Kos and Armando).

Ben P

by Ben P (wbp@u.washington.edu) on Sat Nov 5th, 2005 at 02:00:43 PM EST
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On dKos and here, you are part of these supposedly "far left" communities.
So I'll say: "yeah right". Think about it: how welcome do you think I would be on a right wing site?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Nov 5th, 2005 at 03:53:49 PM EST
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I'm pretty far left, in American terms. But I don't buy into the hysteria that pervades dailyKos.
by asdf on Sun Nov 6th, 2005 at 12:04:19 AM EST
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You didn't really answer my question... but maybe you think I don't really fit on dkos?!

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Nov 6th, 2005 at 08:10:07 AM EST
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This probably isn't the place to discuss dailyKos, but you're asking and you're in charge here!

The problem with dailyKos is that there are a couple of dozen sensible front page posters who are overwhelmed by tens of thousands of idiots. The site gets huge amounts of traffic and is obviously one of the principal political sites on the web. Unfortunately, the idiots have taken over and as a result, DK is in my opinion now a force that damages the liberal agenda in America.

Basically, it's a mob. "Get out the pitchforks and stick them in Joe Lieberman!" "Burn Rove at the stake!" "Hillary must die!" "THIS crisis will FINALLY be the END of BUSH and his NAZIS!" It's idiotic.

The result is that productive, long-standing liberal policies like Gerrymandered voting districts to insure minority representation, get unthinkingly painted with the same tarbrush as the Iraq war. Note the complete lack of participation by elected officials? That's because when one of them sticks his head into the room for a minute to see what's going on, the beer bottles come crashing down on his head. Barack Obama being a recent example: He puts in a very well thought out, sensible position statement and the mob throws it back at him for not being extreme enough. No elected official will put up with such nonsense.

It's not a productive environment, it's a place where the mob is whipped into a fury against the establishment. All it does is make it harder for reasonable people--including officials who have actually been elected to office--to make a practical effort to make progress on liberal issues. Kos has gathered a mob, it's out of control, and it is a divisive force in the liberal community and the Democratic party.

I pop in there once in a while when the debate is about a technical topic that I'm interested in, like hybrid cars or wind power, but the widespread "Burn the Vichy Dems at the stake" sentiment leaves me cold.

Kos needs about a hundred full-time moderators and a clean sweep of the nutcases.

by asdf on Sun Nov 6th, 2005 at 12:15:40 PM EST
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