Display:
That is the problem, to judge from the press (tabloid and not) and the political discourse, the British don't share the spirit. They are happily insular. Then again, I wonder if the Welsh and Scottish have a different attitude to Europe than the English do. The Irish seem to.

Look, I have no problem with Norway, the UK and Switzerland staying out of the political EU. EFTA and the EEA are good enough.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 05:30:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]
It also shows in small things. Cars from most EU countries have new licence plates with the EU sign on it. They look the same for most countries - but I have yet to see a british car with the EU sign on.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 05:49:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Hey Fran that reminds me of something I noticed. EU countries place their flag and a EU flag behind their president/prime minister when he/she makes a speech or press conference. Well, it seems that Bush's US has stepped up the fight and now puts 3 flags behind their president. I just started noticing this the other day ... there were 3 American flags behind Bush ... at first I thought "geez why so many flags", but then it made sense when I tied it to Europe. Maybe I'm wrong, it's just a hypothesis.
by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 05:56:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I counted about a dozen cars with European "GB" plates today on the way home from the tube station (10 minute walk, brisk pace). I would say the percentage of cars with EU plates is in the low single digits. Then again, only the newer cars would have them in any case, but I wonder if it is a voluntary choice?

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 03:42:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]
You're totally right, particularly about the EFTA/EEA bit (which I'm sure would anyhow satisfy the Brits, since any poll on perceptions of the EU in the UK will tell you that it's the "horrible Brussels political machine" that they hate the most). So that makes you right yet again. We're going to have to do something about that. People can't just walk around being right all the time.

Like you, I don't know about the Welsh and the Scots, but if the English are against something, it's almost certain that the Welsh and Scots will be in favour of that same thing, just to piss off the English.

by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 05:52:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm not sure about this, though it does seem to me there's a more edgy anti-Europeanism among the English, more tendency to crow and think they're superior. Also the Welsh and Scots have more to gain in regional aid (and CAP!) than the richer, particularly Southern, English.

But everybody in the UK has been subjected to the same Europhobic propaganda for the past twenty-five years. Not much hope, I'm afraid.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 06:51:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Let's see how much of the UK is eligible for regional aid...

Objective 1

All these regions have a number of economic signals/indicators "in the red":
  • low level of investment;
  • a higher than average unemployment rate;
  • lack of services for businesses and individuals;
  • poor basic infrastructure.




guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 06:57:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Objective 2
Objective 2 of the Structural Funds aims to revitalise all areas facing structural difficulties, whether industrial, rural, urban or dependent on fisheries. Though situated in regions whose development level is close to the Community average, such areas are faced with different types of socio-economic difficulties that are often the source of high unemployment. These include:
  • the evolution of industrial or service sectors;
  • a decline in traditional activities in rural areas;
  • a crisis situation in urban areas;
  • difficulties affecting fisheries activity.



guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 07:00:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]
So the UK is a net contributor to the EU budget. Bug deal! If the EU budget went away, do you think the UK would make up for the lost structural funds to the peripheral regions of the UK (including Cornwall and the North of England)? Doubtful. As far as UK economic policy makers are concerned, the people of those regions should just join the thriving "unskilled service job market". Would you like fries with that?

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 07:19:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]
There are some other structural funds.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 07:02:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Hey, hey... See that little red dot of misery in the centre of England that qualifies for Objective One/Two ? That's where I am from...

</regional pride snark>

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 07:22:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]
You're just benefit leeches all of you </new labour snark>

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 07:23:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Display:
Login
. Make a new account
. Reset password
Recommended Diaries
Occasional Series