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I'm not sure exactly what counts as a "failed design," but one approach that was frequently tried--and frequently rejected--was the Vauclain compound system, named after Baldwin's President, Samual Vauclain. In this system you have four cylinders, one high pressure and one low pressure on each side, with the cylinders on each side sharing the same valve gear. The idea is that the exhaust from the high pressure cylinder can be used in the low pressure cylinder, to improve efficiency. It sounds good...

This system was used in a lot of engines, including large and small engines with the Consolidation wheel arrangement, tank engines on the Chicago elevated railway, the Pike's Peak cog railway, the Sant Ellero-Saltino Cog Railway in Italy, and at least one city tram system.

But this design has problems, partly because in order to make efficient use of the steam, the low pressure cylinder needed to be very big and the high pressure cylinder very small. On the one hand, the small high pressure cylinders limited the ability of the engine to use steam, while the large low pressure cylinders caused trouble in tight spots where they tended to snag on roadside brush or rocks or bridge trusses. Also, they're complicated and require more maintenance. As a result, many of them were eventually converted to the regular single-expansion type.

So is this a failed design?

by asdf on Mon Dec 19th, 2005 at 11:01:03 PM EST
I have no knowledge whatsoever on the question in your post, but just wanted to thank you for the awesome pictures.

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by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Dec 20th, 2005 at 04:23:17 AM EST
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Seconded - especially for that Lehigh Valley camelback! (And welcome back!)

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by DoDo on Tue Dec 20th, 2005 at 08:36:41 AM EST
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Thanks for this - the only instance I read of Vauclain Compounds (but then didn't knew what it is) was when one was dug up in China (it fell into a river or something 70 years ago):

So is this a failed design?

Possibly - for higher maintenance costs certainly (was a problem with all compounds), but I don't understand the other two problems with it (why would the high-pressure cylinder limit the ability to use steam, and the low-pressure cylinders are supposed to snag only if they aren't within the line's standard cross section). But two cylinders on the same crosshead - that sounds like a recipe for stress cracks to me.

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by DoDo on Tue Dec 20th, 2005 at 08:59:27 AM EST
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To fit both cylinders into the available space you have to make the high pressure cylinder smaller than normal. Smaller cylinder => less capacity per stroke => less speed. Because of the extra expansion in the low pressure cylinder, you have to run at high cutoff values, perhaps more than 100% in high power situations.

The Colorado Midland had trouble with their engines snagging because they had such tight curves, some exceeding 16 degrees--which is a very sharp curve for a standard gauge railroad. The concept of "standard cross section" wasn't really in play during the 1890s in Colorado. Here's an explanation of how curves are measured in 'merica.
http://www.du.edu/~jcalvert/railway/degcurv.htm

Here's an interesting account of the terrible snowstorm in 1899 that closed the Colorado Midland for 78 days!
http://www.netreach.net/~rphillips/_pg3_19.html

by asdf on Tue Dec 20th, 2005 at 08:23:21 PM EST
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To fit both cylinders into the available space you have to make the high pressure cylinder smaller than normal.

I still don't understand this. First, the high-pressure cylinder is where normally the single outer cylinder is, and that can be rather big depending on the locomotive. High-pressure cylinders are smaller by default - force is proportional to the pressure imbalance and the area of the piston, so if say pressure is reduced by 75% between the two cylinders, the high-pressure one has to be half the diameter of the low-pressure one. (In this example, a single cylinder of a non-compound locomotive with the same power would have a diameter sqrt(2) times the high-pressure cylinder's.)

Thanks for that on curves - I saw it a few times, now it makes sense... 16-degree curve, that's a 109 m radius curve, ouch!

Here's an interesting account of the terrible snowstorm in 1899 that closed the Colorado Midland for 78 days!

Also see my earlier Forgotten Colorado diary for more on the Colorado Midland (from which I also linked to the same story)

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by DoDo on Wed Dec 21st, 2005 at 10:55:27 AM EST
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