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i was looking at a discussion about this in german TV last week, i think it was on N-TV. there was one person from the green party and another one who was in a parliament oversight group for the secret services IIRC. they stated that it would be difficult for the german govt to ask the americans to stop doing this, because they had people from the BND go to syria to ask questions to abducted people after they had been tortured there, and the americans (rice) would rightly be able to tell the germans that they had no moral authority to ask the americans to stop torturing people while the germans themselves were involved.

since, CNN is saying that there were about 400 kidnapping flights over the EU, probably with torture victims. since the number comes from CNN it looks like the US wants to pile dirt on the european govts in order to discredit any attempts at countering the kidnappings, or even asking too embarassing questions in public.

i think that, in light of this, it would be more appropriate (and easy) to find out who has been kidnapped in european countries than to ask the governments - plural because it is not only the germans - questions which they will never answer truthfully. because, if there were 400 flights, many of them 737's, and we put a conservative average of 50 people per flight, we still have 20.000 people to account for. and according to an american general, they hold around 83.000 people in the gulag.

by name (name@spammez_moi_sivouplait.org) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 05:48:30 AM EST
We need a few independent judges in each country to bring down the entire edifice. Remember how Mani Pulite brought down the entire Italian Republic in the early 1990's?

tens of millions of people stand to see their lives ruined because the bureaucrats at the ECB don't understand introductory economics -- Dean Baker
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 05:56:48 AM EST
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Of course more countries than only Germany are involved. Now we get to hear some of the truth about what is going on behind everyone's back, and the reactions of the individual governments will have lasting severe international consequences. The U.S., in the person of Miss Mushroom Cloud, is blackmailing Europe into supporting the U.S. in Iraq and in the pseudo-war on terrorist tactics. Which European country will now cut a deal counting on future industrial and oil contracts in Iraq with the support of the U.S.? Poland has probably learned its lesson. The United Kingdom is incorrigibly complicit. France maybe. Yes, I put my money on France with its festering Sarkozy syndrome.
by Quentin on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 07:46:34 AM EST
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This is a good idea. Something like a parliamentarily initiated, judicial investigation on a European scale. Which can also review actions of member governments. A lovely idea </sigh>.

Meanwhile, FDP's Guido Westerwelle does not rule out that his party might call for such a parliamentary investigation comittee (Untersuchungsausschuss) if former and current government officials are unable or unwilling to reveal the facts. This is one of the rare occasions that I agree with Westerwelle.

by Saturday (geckes(at)gmx.net) on Mon Dec 5th, 2005 at 03:17:31 PM EST
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