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Very slightly off topic, but to what extent will 'peak oil' be correlated with 'peak food', to the extent that agrobusiness everywhere (which whether we like it or not produces food in significant volumes to feed the rich countries) is highly petroleum-dependent.

What happens when the prices both of the energy used in growing food and transporting it around the world, and of petro-inputs like fertilizers, begin to rise drastically?

Another 'peak food' worry is the undiscussed crisis of the water table in North America and in former Soviet Central Asia.  Regions which the world has depended on for food and agro-raw materials may lose the ability to be the world's breadbaskets.

by Aruac on Mon Jun 20th, 2005 at 08:28:28 AM EST
I'm not expert on this, but the reference normally given is the experience in Cuba. They got cut off from the inputs for industrial agriculture when the Soviet Union fell apart and apparently do OK without.

Agribusiness isn't even especially efficient. It's just much easier and less labour intensive.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jun 20th, 2005 at 08:46:30 AM EST
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Coleman has it right.

I worked in the biz right out of college... it is all about 'cheap, now' and not about sustainability... and the best way to do that in a 'high labor cost society' is to nix the labor...

The factory I worked in produced fuel alcohol... we processed 350,000 bu of corn (maize) everyday... I believe that is approximately 1000 cu meters per day... anyway  A LOT.

We had our own powerplant... whole facility was estimated to cost about a billion dollars (1980s dollars at that)...

We ran 24X7 365 days a year except on leap years it was 366 days a year. We tracked all down time due to power outages (prairie storms & such) & it was usually no more than 20-30 hours per year.

And we employed less than 200 people... including support & management... covering all those shifts.

Your European leaders are on drugs and every bit as traitorous as our leaders if the take you down that path.

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by dryfly (jjwhodat at hotmail dot com) on Mon Jun 20th, 2005 at 09:55:36 AM EST
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