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Jerome,  I do think we need to be a little more sceptical about the free-traders attack on the CAP.

The origins of the CAP lie in the recognition after WW2 that Europe needed food security.  That, as a region, it could not depend excessively on longdistance trade for the supply of its food.  

I believe that continues to be a worthwhile policy goal for Europe (and indeed for all regions of the world).  Europe should continue to supply a significant part of its own food, and the only way to do this is to arrange a cross-subsidy between, for example Jerome ;-) the absurdly over-remunerated service sector of bankers and corporate employees, and the agricultural sector (and indeed heavy industry).

The goal of a balanced national and regional economies remains a worthwhile one-- the fucking free-traders believe that somehow the whole world will kumbya-style balance out and meet its collective needs.  It will never work efficiently: that is why sovereign nations have to plan their national economies in the collective interests, and why regional groups have to secure balanced economies (a mixture of agriculture, industry, and services) within themselves.

We cannot know if at some future moment of world history that rising energy costs, or some ecological disaster elsewhere, would either destroy one of the worlds breadbaskets (eg. the American, Canadian, Brazilian agroindustry) or make the supply or transport of food uneconomic or insecure.  

The CAP is also about the preservation of the land in agriculture, the preservation of farming skills, and the preservation of the beauty of the landscape
(such as those beautiful wheatfields in Normandie in the photograph you posted on your war memorial story)

by Aruac on Mon Jun 20th, 2005 at 02:52:35 AM EST
No, the CAP should be about "the preservation of the land in agriculture, the preservation of farming skills, and the preservation of the beauty of the landscape". What it is really about is transferring large amounts of money to large industries that don't need it to carry out industrial farming that is directly harmful to all the positive things the CAP could do. It is a tool for buying the votes of rural populations and their children that feel guilty about moving to the big city and have a romantic view of what happens in the countryside. In any case, the EU gets blamed for every problem in rural areas even though they pump in huge amounts of money.

Europe should continue to support the agricultural sector, but in a way consistent with the aims you outline above. They should cap the subsidies at a certain size of farm. They should insist on a move towards sustainable farming. They should insist on ethical, respectful and sustainable treatment of animals. They should stop subsiding industries - like sugar - which make no economic sense without the subsidies. And, on a slightly unrelated rant, if we're paying for the countryside they should insist that hikers have access to it.

If the aim is to maintain a population in rural Europe with a sensible standard of living it would probably be cheaper to simply pay them all money directly.

Don't get me wrong though: the free-market morons can take a running leap.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jun 20th, 2005 at 03:39:33 AM EST
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Your analysis is right on, Colman. I'll only add one thing: The execrable export subsidies necessitated by the gross overproduction of food, leading to the indefensible dumping of agroproducts in Africa at the expense of local produce. A stain on Europe's name, if you ask me.

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by Sirocco (sirocco2005ATgmail.com) on Mon Jun 20th, 2005 at 04:09:57 AM EST
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Sirocco:

that's why I favour the rights of African and Third World states to impose tariff barriers to prevent the dumping of both agricultural and industrial products.

by Aruac on Mon Jun 20th, 2005 at 04:15:10 AM EST
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A lot of the arguments being made in this thread about CAP are similar to the arguments I have been hearing from the British government for the last couple of weeks.

Money is a sign of Poverty - Culture Saying
by RogueTrooper on Mon Jun 20th, 2005 at 04:21:15 AM EST
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You'll find little disagreement from me with what is said about the CAP in the UK. The CAP as it is currently run is a massive waste of resources and, worst of all from my point of view, a criminal drain on France's political capital in Europe.

But it IS, for political reasons, one of the political foundations of the EU and the UK's insistence to dismantle it is also seen as yet another attempt to break whatever political institutions exist at the EU level, to replace with nothing.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Jun 20th, 2005 at 04:33:45 AM EST
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Had there been real reform of CAP in 2002 then I believe that the UK would be well on the way to joining the Euro. The Chirac inspired stich up knocked the wind out of the sails of Britain's europhiles. There was a palpable sense of disgust in the UK about the 2002 CAP agreement in the UK ( it was percieved as featherbeding for French farmers ).

This was when Blair and Chirac really feel out ( the Iraq war sealed the deal on their new found mutual antipathy ).

I have never felt that the UK wants to destroy European institutions. I am not sure where people on the continent get this idea.

Money is a sign of Poverty - Culture Saying

by RogueTrooper on Mon Jun 20th, 2005 at 06:11:23 AM EST
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Right -- it's that "replace with nothing" that matters.

The CAP needs reforming, not busting.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Jun 21st, 2005 at 04:52:37 AM EST
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That's because the current CAP is such a bloody mess that it's easy to find problems with it. The basic principal of the CAP is sound, it's just the implementation that's stupid and wasteful
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jun 20th, 2005 at 04:46:08 AM EST
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