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Colman, maybe Europe, given its high labour costs, which are part of the price it pays for a healthy society, needs to subsidize its agrobusiness too?

If food security is a goal, then Europe needs agrobusiness too, and it might give to need those productive entities a leg-up in a world economy where its competitors can depend on cheap labour and massive direct or indirect subsidies.

God knows that the USA send massive support to its farmers (who are happily draining the continental aquifer dry), and while Brazil does not provide cash subsidies to its mega soya and citrus farmers, it gives them massive subsidies in kind by allowing them land at low costs and not regulating labour wages or conditions.  

by Aruac on Mon Jun 20th, 2005 at 04:12:29 AM EST
I'd be willing to keep on subsidising agro-business, maybe, just maybe, if they took care not to pollute our rivers, not to cheat on standards of hygiene, animal care, etc, and not to produce only the crappiest stuff they can get away with.

It makes sense to pay for good food, not to pay for bad food, and then pay again to clean up water, pay again to help distroyed communities in Africa that cannot compete with industrial agro exports, and pay for the general sense of entitlement and lack of accountability of these people. (And see at the same time the samll farmers go through unbelievable pain and sacrifice because their causes - and subsidies - are hijacked by the agro industrial complex, which treat them like foot soldiers)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Jun 20th, 2005 at 04:38:40 AM EST
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Yes, we should subsidise agriculture in pursuit of things like food security and a healthy society. That's what we both said. Blindly throwing money at big agri-business is not good for either.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jun 20th, 2005 at 04:44:48 AM EST
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"Yes, we should subsidise agriculture in pursuit of things like food security and a healthy society. That's what we both said. Blindly throwing money at big agri-business is not good for either. "

As a North American living in the belly of the beast... smack dab in the middle of our agri-industrial complex... you don't want to be subsidizing big agri-business. Believe me... we been there...HELL WE ARE THERENOW... and it sucks.

On the other hand subsizing good small cheese makers... I am all in favor of that. And wine... and olives... and local produce...

Let the morons outside my town make the crappy frankenfood... the ag commodity business is just one more race to the bottom from what I can tell.

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by dryfly (jjwhodat at hotmail dot com) on Mon Jun 20th, 2005 at 09:25:34 AM EST
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Aruac said... "God knows that the USA send massive support to its farmers (who are happily draining the continental aquifer dry), and while Brazil does not provide cash subsidies to its mega soya and citrus farmers, it gives them massive subsidies in kind by allowing them land at low costs and not regulating labour wages or conditions."

You have no idea how bad it is where they are drawing down 'the Ogallalah'... that aquifer you mentioned. In some places the water table has dropped 600 feet... Some of the rivers... like the Platte in Nebraska that used be 'an inch deep and a mile wide'... are almost dry.

Lastly - where there is water, it is often terribly polluted... even the ground water. There are so many abandoned farms (as folks leave the land for the city) with old wells that the farm run off easily finds its way into the aquifer. Parts of Missouri River basin have the most polluted ground water in America... and they aren't even close to a city.

I frequent all these areas as part of my job... it is like the biological equivalent of Chernobyl. Not that bad yet but heading that way... You might have heard of the Buffalo Commons movement...it isn't that far fetched.

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by dryfly (jjwhodat at hotmail dot com) on Mon Jun 20th, 2005 at 10:13:22 AM EST
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