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even though I opposed the war.  Don't know whether it's the old Catholic guilt or the impotence of the initial protests and demonstrations.  Mainly it's the reality that hundreds of thousands have suffered and/or died because of my country's criminal decisions regarding Iraq.

I think, as I've talked about some on Deano's thread concerning evil, that Anatol Lieven has absolutely nailed what's going on in the U.S. in his book America Right or Wrong, ably summarized by Linda Colley of Prospect magazine here.

As obnoxious as it may seem to the rest of the world, however, it may be better for all of us that massive anti-war protests have not erupted from the left wing.  Beginning with Reagan, the right wing has successfully reconstructed reality, projecting our loss in Vietnam  as the result of a left wing, anti-war, home-front stab-in-the-back to U.S. military power and defense ability.  If they could add further fuel to that fire through present day antiwar activities, it would likely feed further growth of U.S. nationalism, much as the German army stabbed-in-the-back theory fed the rise of the Nazis.

Losing disgracefully would probably, as Jerome pointed out, help to bring Americans back to their senses.  The realization that we are losing is sinking in now, Bush's ratings are plummeting, and of course, that's why Rove has geared up his blame-the-liberals routine.  

But the country needs more than that.  A huge majority thinks there's nothing wrong with Guantanamo.  We are talking serious evil here when people, not just their power-mad government, think that it's ok to do wrong to others because it's just maybe possible that some of them have done wrong to you or helped others who did.    I do not see in either party the kind of mature, morally credible leadership it would take, IMO, to   get that majority to deal with this godawful truth about themselves.    

by msdove on Sun Jun 26th, 2005 at 10:34:36 AM EST
is that politics is probably not where we're going to find moral leadership, at least not now if ever.  But for a country that prides itself so much on its religiosity, it speaks volumes that, unlike the Vietnam era, there has been no significant leadership from the churches and synagogues regarding the war, torture, and abuse.  Of course, the fundamentalists support the war, and the primarily right wing American Catholic bishops are totally occupied with the plight of the blastocyte.  But where are the Episcopalians, Methodists, Unitarians, and others who were so outspoken during Vietnam?  
by msdove on Sun Jun 26th, 2005 at 11:06:50 AM EST
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I am an atheist, so I am not partial here, when I must defend those churches, plus part of the Catholics. I did hear and read of several anti-war conferences and declarations, but exclusively on the web, the news media held total silence about it.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Jun 26th, 2005 at 12:58:43 PM EST
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