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by soj on Tue Jun 28th, 2005 at 07:22:01 AM EST
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Sorry.  Sometimes I forget my audience.

SoftWare.  

by guleblanc on Tue Jun 28th, 2005 at 08:01:19 AM EST
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Right now Germany is offering immigration to IT folks like you, check out the German consulate sites, that may be an easy way.
by Jeffersonian Democrat (rzg6f@virginia.edu) on Tue Jun 28th, 2005 at 11:37:40 AM EST
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I assume you're referring to the "green card" exception of 2000?

My understanding is that this has been superceded by the new immigration act as of 1 Jan 2005, which basically says that foreign professionals are welcome to seek employment if they work in a profession in which a shortage exists, i.e. do not displace any native or EU citizen. Consequently, no special rules exist any longer for individual occupational groups. source/xlation m.o.

My wife is in IT, and we know a lot of German software people who are out of work.

I don't mean to say that it is impossible (especially if you have a prospective employer in your corner), but it's not as easy as it used to be.

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Jun 29th, 2005 at 12:17:09 PM EST
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Ugh, you may be right.  I remembered that provision last year when I was looking at the marriage requirements.  I cannot find it now.  I have a feeling you are right - scratch everything I posted on it, or do deeper research.

This is also bad news for my younger brother who planned to do that if a draft was started in the US again.

Scheiße!

by Jeffersonian Democrat (rzg6f@virginia.edu) on Thu Jun 30th, 2005 at 04:16:55 AM EST
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Well there's a lot of good software work being done here in Romania and getting a permit to work here is relatively easy/possible.  Becoming a citizen is next to impossible however.

Bucharest is a big modern city with anything you and your wife could ever possible want, and hordes of well-trained computer programmers looking for work.  You could do a lot worse!

Pax

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by soj on Tue Jun 28th, 2005 at 11:45:39 AM EST
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The possibility of citzenship is important, if my goal is for my sons to avoid the draft.  I suspect that by the time the soon-to-be 13-year old is close to 18, the all-draft army will be in full swing, and small countries  like Romania or Canada will have difficulty resisting US pressure to surrender US citzens for conscription.
by guleblanc on Tue Jun 28th, 2005 at 01:49:36 PM EST
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Well five years is a long time from now... and the draft is something pretty remote.  What is Romania or Canada or wherever going to do, deport your son?

Let me tell you a little secret about being American and living abroad - the US gov't has no idea where you live.  The only gov't who cares is the host country.  And being a permanent resident is ten thousand times easier than becoming a citizen.

If you really feel that paranoid, look at the Vienna Agreements and the mutual extradiction treaties.  I promise you nobody has ever been deported solely to obey some kind of draft requirement.  Secondly, the draft gets its list from the Social Services board and with your son being 13 I don't think he's registered yet.

You need to fly that family of yours to Europe for a while and let your wife and kids see what it's like here.

Pax

Night and day you can find me Flogging the Simian

by soj on Tue Jun 28th, 2005 at 02:00:31 PM EST
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Also, consider Ireland.  Not sure if they are still up to it but they had the whole Celtic tiger thing before the dot com crash.  Also Dublin is a great city and travel is cheap to Europe proper vial ryan air....

The only international crime is losing a war
by Luam (uretskyj at gmail.com) on Tue Jun 28th, 2005 at 06:40:12 PM EST
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Amen.  Dublin is one of the nicest cities in Europe.  I know Soj likes Romania but I doubt most Americans would.  My experience is 15 years old so things may be much better, but if your wife is nervous, better stick to W. Europe.  The pay will be much better too, but the cost of living may equalize that.

One thing re the UK.  They don't tend to pay technical people squat.  Might be better at the PHD level, but the average engineer is poorly paid vs the US, France or Germany.  In UK parlance a repairman is an "engineer" and they pay accordingly.

by HiD on Tue Jun 28th, 2005 at 11:13:49 PM EST
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I should think seriously about this.  Both my wife and I love Ireland.  I used to play a ton of Irish traditional music, though I've started playing more American fiddle tunes recently.  I'll keep this in mind.

How difficult is it to become an Irish citzen?

by guleblanc on Wed Jun 29th, 2005 at 08:39:08 AM EST
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no idea.  In the UK they gave us perm residency after 4 years on a work permit.  By the time we got it, my wife was already sick of the weather and I was sick of the job stress.  So we walked away a couple of years later.

I suspect you'll have an easier time in Eire if you have Irish ancestors.  Google around.  There are good sites on Italian rules/regs so prob some on Eire as well.

by HiD on Wed Jun 29th, 2005 at 12:22:54 PM EST
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