the implications of this abduction are clear to whomever wants to see these implications. first thing when dealing with info coming from the world of secret services is to believe nothing and to question everything. second is to always remember that, if we outsiders get any info from that world, it is for a reason and not by chance, in most cases anyway.

now, lets ask two questions:

1. why would anybody OUTSIDE the CIA want to abduct this person, a good intel source to the italian anti-terror forces, and take him to egypt to be tortured ?

2. why would the CIA want to abduct this person, a good intel source to the italian anti-terror forces, and take him to egypt to be tortured ?

1) this would depend on who this "anybody outside CIA" is. if we take "CIA" to be people from any of the 15 or so known secret services from the US, for the sake of argument we could say that "others" could be either employees of one of the many western or "allied" secret services, organized crime, or some muslim secret service. we know from above that abu omar was cooperating with the albanian ss and later with the italian ss, having been on good terms with both. also, according to above, he received refugee status and soon afterward started to preach. why would sismi want to kidnap abu omar ? i dont know, it does not make any sense to me.

the same for the albanian secret service: it really makes no sense. the mafia ? somehow difficult to believe that a radical muslim preacher and informant would in any way endanger their prostitution and drug smuggling operations. apart from all these groups having no discernible (to me) motives to kidnap the guy, how could they call in a jet from the american gulag express, start from aviano, make a stopover at an american base in germany and hand him over to an american ally (egypt) to be tortured ? i see no motive and i see no capability with these groups to do such a weird thing.

2) now lets ask ourselves why would the CIA want to abduct an informant ? by what we know he was cooperating with the albanian secret service who turned the anti-muslim operations over to the CIA because they didnt have money themselves. so he was cooperating with the CIA from the start. later he was also in good terms with the egyptian secret services, but then he decides to move to italy (it does not say he had to flee) in order to receive "refugee status". thus we come to the next questions:

• how can somebody "caught in a security sweep" in albania can return to egypt and still be in good relations with the security services there ?

• why would somebody in good terms with the secret services of his country go abroad and receive "refugee status" ?

• why would italy give "refugee status" to somebody in good terms with the security services of his country ?
  

i happen to know first hand how difficult it is for anybody to receive refugee status here in austria. the authorities check the people thoroughly and i am sure the italians are as thorough. austrian stats are clear: each year between 400-600 persons receive the status of refugee according to geneva conventions, out of 30K-40K applicants.

my take on these three questions is that abu omar was an informant all the way, and, given that he was preaching in a "fiery" way, i suppose he was more than merely an informant. lets suppose he was an intel operative sent by the egyptians and under supervision of western intel agencies. would that fit what he was doing, namely informing on his people and at the same time radicalizing them until one of his flock perhaps would do something regretful ?

so, if we accept that he was an intel operative under total control of western intel agencies, why would the CIA want to kidnap this person ?

because he was playing the part of rabble rouser ? i think that given his history, he must have been sent to do exactly that, probably according to the wishes of the italians and the americans and ...

now, if it was not because he was a fiery preacher, could it have been because of something else he was doing ? his job as an informant ? dont forget he was informing to the SISMI, and the SISMI was telling the americans everything, at least according to what soj posted above. but lets suppose that he was too good an informant and that the SISMI was beginning to come to conclusions of their own regarding the activity of "islamists" like abu omar. lets suppose, for the sake of argument, that he was giving them insights into what and who "al-qaeda" is and the americans did not like that at all. lets suppose the americans were scared shitless the italians would come to conclusions which would influence their policies in ways very disfavorable to american interests.

lets suppose the italians were getting info thru abu omar which showed that "al-qaeda" is a sham, a false flag op run by the CIA, the brits, and other associates of ill repute. lets suppose for just a moment that they decided to extract poor abu omar before the shit hit the fan. and lets suppose they did it too late and they sent a bunch of incompetents to do the job because else we'd never have got wind of this. would this answer question 2 ?

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the article by wayne madsen which is referenced above comes to the same conclusion, but he goes further and says that nicola calipari was probably shot in connection with this. i've been reading that the italians and the brits are planning to get out of iraq soon. could those decisions be related to the abu omar case ?

on being a kook and living in tinfoil hat territory, i can assure you all that it is no fun. on the one side you have all kind of people who would not believe you and who are disposed to insult you and smack you down as a "conspiracy theorist". on the other side, you see things happening which constantly confirm your low opinion of the political class and your wildest suspicions. niccolo machiavelli said about conspiracies that those scheming should keep their plans to themselves, but that there was no great danger if the plans leaked, because in most cases these outsiders would be unable to do anything about the schemers, and if they tried to spread their knowledge nobody would believe them until it was too late do do anything about the conspiracy anyway.