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I agree with you about Madsen however the fact remains that a group of people abducted a man off the streets of Milan in broad daylight in February 2003, the run-up to the war of Iraq, and spirited him away through the American air base at Aviano.  

Whomever Abu Omar was feeding information to, the mystery in this case is why was his abduction handled so unprofesionally?

Pax

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by soj on Sun Jul 10th, 2005 at 11:47:16 PM EST
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Most likely because the CIA, like all other bureacries, is chock full of incompetent officers and fiedl workers. I thouhg their failings in the  Cold War had alerady established that,not to mention 9/11 and the war on terror.

Having lived in italy for several years, I have to agree with deGondi. This is moving too much into tin-foil territory. I don't the DSSA was involved in the kidnapping, though I'm sure they would like to claim credit for it.

by gilgamesh (expat at 6719 dot it) on Mon Jul 11th, 2005 at 03:44:05 AM EST
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Again I admit that much of this is heading into "tinfoil hat" territory.. however it's not just the unprofessional conduct of the group who abducted Abu Omar, it's the political ramifications of why the American gov't wouldn't inform the Italians, especially since the US knew for a fact the Italians had this man under close surveillance.

In other words, there are two mysterious components to this case:

  1. Why his abduction was handled so unprofessionally; and
  2. Why it was handled so poorly at the political level, esp between two key allies

I can't say the DSSA did this because I have no idea who did it.  But I sourced two CIA people who said that the agency doesn't operate that way.

Pax

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by soj on Mon Jul 11th, 2005 at 04:38:14 AM EST
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But one of the points of controversy, leaving asdie everything else, from the POV of the Italian papers and newmaginzed I've been reading, is precisely the question of wthere or not the Italian goverbement knew about the operation.

If it did, it would constitute a vere severe violation of the constitution and this gives the governemtnt an obvious incentive to deny its involvement.

It was definetely messed up badly on both sides, but then so was "caso Calipari."

by gilgamesh (expat at 6719 dot it) on Mon Jul 11th, 2005 at 06:39:18 AM EST
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In Italy we are privy to lot more info than is on the net thanks to paper editions. Which means that there are a lot more blind men here to sass out the elephant.

My impression is that there was a good deal of brashness and cock-sure arrogance in handling the kidnapping. When la Repubblica first carried this story in February there was a lengthy account of Abu Omar's telephone calls to his wife and a friend when he was briefly under house arrest in Egypt. He told his friend that the primary interest of his captors was to convince him to become a double agent for the Egyptians and the CIA. According to his account- and we have no reason to doubt it since it was an intercepted private conversation- his captors said that they would put him on the next plane back to Milan if he had accepted. He didn't and spent the next fourteen months on a steady regime of torture.

Now, one might conclude from this that since Abu Omar had been soft with the ShIK, his captors might have been gambling on a round-trip ticket. Hence their brashness in carrying out the operation. (I think WP carried this version, too.)

There is another possible scenario hinted to in various Unità and la Repubblica articles that are, well, not on line. You'll just have to trust me. According to the investigating authorities, there is evidence that the operation was run by the Rome case officer, Jeff Castelli, who has been characterized by some reporters as being overbearing. According to this scenario, Seldon Lady was against the operation but obeyed as a good soldier should. Castelli was "recalled" to Washington by Tenet in the summer of 2003 apparently for maverick behavior both in the Niger caper and the Abu Omar case. However, in an interview, Scheuer defends both Jeff Castelli, and Jim Pavett, whom he indicates as the Langley officer in charge of the Abu Omar operation.

The actual ground work for the operation was allegedly done by CIA operative, Victor Castellano.

There are plenty of cases of CIA operations within allied territories that contradict Scheuer and Bauer. Now that they're on the talk-show celeb circuit maybe they're chipping in with a little damage control. I'm sure Langley silently approves.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon Jul 11th, 2005 at 05:28:40 PM EST
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