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I live in Germany, and I can get supplements at the health-food store (although they are more expensive than in the US). I can also get organically grown vegetables at the natural foods store.

I tried to find an explanation by following the links on the quackpot.org site, and found only the following assertion:


The current version of what's known as "Western Medicine" has its roots, I'm embarrassed to admit, in Nazi Germany's Death Camps.  Let's not forget that Mengele, and the boys, did the so-called "basic research," and established the philosophy "Western Medicine" operates by today...

I find that, um, less than rigorous.

The documentation also contains the statement:

For the most part, I believe, Planet Earth's pharmaceutical industry (Big Pharma) is a direct descendant of Nazi Germany's I.G. Farben, a company that was forcibly split up into four parts during the "Nuremberg..."   trials.  Those four companies, not only still exist, but control the significant part of the world's pharmaceutical drug trade.

The four "majors" to come out of IG Farben were AGFA,  Bayer, Hoechst and BASF. Of these:


  • AGFA's business is to a large part based on photographic film (insolvency proceedings were opened against them at the end of May);

  • BASF sold off their pharma business;

  • Hoechst is now French (belongs to Sanofi)

Only Bayer is still in the big pharma arena, and they still haven't recovered from the Lipobay debacle of a couple of years back.

I apologize if this comes across as overly negative, and I don't mean to be destructive. I felt it was important to share my reservations about some of the documentation.

For my part, this issue illustrates what to my mind is one of the great shortcomings of the EU, that so many directives are formulated in back rooms, out of public view.

As far as the issue itself goes, I know too little to offer an opinion, but it's interesting to note that the British consumer group Which? is in favor of positive lists for supplements (their position here). (Maybe someone more UK-savvy could tell me if they're the real thing?).

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Jul 13th, 2005 at 04:19:47 AM EST
That's one of the problems with this sort of issue: there are enough, uh, "less than rigorous" individuals on the fringes that it's very hard to follow the arguments.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jul 13th, 2005 at 04:29:20 AM EST
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dvx, sorry, my error  and thanks for making me aware of it (and I try to check my sources better next time :-) ) - I did not read his definition of the "German Model" - as I have read about it before. I would have warned about these comments, which are offensive. However, the German Model in alternative health care is considered very restrictive. In Germany as in Switzerland there are many things like enzymes, or trace minerals or other nutritional supplements that are hard to come by, which can not be bought or only in very small amounts. Often as is described in the article you can only buy synthetic versions of a vitamin. Here in Switzerland you can only buy very low doses and only synthetic vitamin E in the pharmacies, or in even lower doses at regular food or health  stores, often with lots of additives and of course quite expensive. When I was in Ireland 3 years ago I saw higher doses being sold, from natural sources and many herbs and even homeopathics available in health stores - which are not available here in Switzerland, or as far as I know in Germany. And they also were a lot less expensive.

I do not believe that it is a German attempt to world dominion. But I do think the German model is convenient for the pharma industries, to restrict our access to nutritional supplements. Here in Switzerland we have Roche and Novartis which both are into vitamins.

I have read some studies, have to search for them if I also can find them online, that indicate that even organic vegetables have a lower nutrition content today, than they used to.

One aspect about this topic is, that there is so much controversial information. Thus I appreciate any information that helps to clarify the topic.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 13th, 2005 at 05:06:39 AM EST
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None of us are immune to damaged sources (the Wikipedia article links to that site as well!).

The subject itself is certainly worthwhile in spite of that, but one I know too little about to comment on intelligently.

"Ideas or the lack of them can cause disease." - Kurt Vonnegut

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Jul 13th, 2005 at 10:04:00 AM EST
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