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~ Comment originally posted Monday July 11th ~

Madrid bombing will be model for this attack on London IMHO. Home grown terror organization with International - European leadership. Link to Al-Qaeda Ayman al-Zawahiri - see diary.

Crucial to find out forensic evidence on explosives, detonators and timing device. This is what was uncovered very quickly in Spain, and is an indication whether investigation in London is open or another Blair white-wash.

Which foreign forensic units are supporting Scotland Yard and who leads the investigation?

Of course, UK parliament should take initiative and start an inquiry to the role of Tony Blair and the Iraq war blowback asap. Needs to put pressure on the Blair failures.

No indication of any RIRA link in explosives.

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by Oui on Fri Jul 15th, 2005 at 04:48:56 AM EST
I've always wondered if the feds are gonna hold that against me someday ;-)

I mean, combine that with my subversive political leanings, experience working with nuclear waste, and firearms collection (which, of course, will remain in the U.S.), and I'm a walking PATRIOT Act target!

Sorry for the silly comment.

As for the chemistry, here's triacetone triperoxide (click to enlarge the image):

See the oxygen-oxygen (O-O) bonds?

That's the "peroxide" part of the molecule (hydrogen peroxide is H-O-O-H), which is what makes it an explosive.

Nasty.

by Plutonium Page (page dot vlinders at gmail dot com) on Fri Jul 15th, 2005 at 06:31:57 AM EST
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Sorry, my preference was engineering calculus and physics.  First confrontation with chemistry was at college level, I still don't understand how my classmates survived my lab experiments!

I got a passing grade though, more likely to prevent me from spending any additional time in the lab.

Thanks Page for elaboration on the chemical formula. Apparently well known by terror groups and the anti-terror units in Israel, UK and western world. Who mixed the ingredients? From general available knowledge of Triacetone triperoxide, or TATP, the investigation could NOT point a finger towards Al Qaida!

"Although made with easily obtainable ingredients, the explosive is also very unstable and will explode from contact with a cigarette or an electrical discharge. Keinan noted that Palestinian terrorists have been known to make the explosive in their own apartment buildings."

BREAKING NEWS -
ARREST IN EGYPT OF MISSING CHEMISTRY TEACHER

PS I was in Amsterdam yesterday at my friend's place: Brasserie De Joffers.
Best American hamburger in town - code word for conversation: City of Creve Coeur Missouri.

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by Oui on Fri Jul 15th, 2005 at 07:34:31 AM EST
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I had to take a hell of a lot of calculus and physics, because I needed the background for thermodynamics (we called it "thermogoddammits") and quantum mechanics.

As for explosives, I would expect that the al Qaaqa explosives are being used in Iraq and possibly elsewhere in the world.  There was enough missing to supply bombers for decades.

And I'll remember your friend's place, as well as the code word!

by Plutonium Page (page dot vlinders at gmail dot com) on Fri Jul 15th, 2005 at 08:21:49 AM EST
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I went to a tech school that had a fair number of chemists and pyro's. Some folks at my wife's dorm would make cafeteria trays full of something they called acetone peroxide (most likely a less technical name for the same stuff we are discussing) and make large bangs or blow traffic cones into the air with it by applying an electric charge. This was mostly pre-9/11. The university started cracking down on explosions and fires after one got out of control. My understanding (I was not involved) was that it was volatile, but pretty easy to make.
by toad on Fri Jul 15th, 2005 at 12:45:17 PM EST
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should conclude at dorm was an indication of an AQ affiliated cell developing!

No one else has the chemical formula.

At last we have the London link to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi! Now we can focus the investigation on AQ.

  • Qaida al-Jihad claims London bombings

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  • by Oui on Fri Jul 15th, 2005 at 01:51:38 PM EST
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    Wait a second. How common is the name Mohammed Siddique Khan?

    That's the second Al-Qaeda tied terrorist that's turned up in a few years with that name, and both of them were Brits.

    Unless it's the same person.

    That's too much of a coincidence. This guy was a covert operative inside Al-Qaeda, and he had been passing info onto the Brits.

    What's going on?

    by Upstate NY on Fri Jul 15th, 2005 at 09:59:49 AM EST
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    Mohammad Sidique Khan:
    Aged 30, from Beeston, Leeds, recently moved to Dewsbury, married with baby. ID found at Edgware Road blast site.
    Hasib Mir Hussain (confirmed):
    Aged 18, lived Holbeck, Leeds. Reported missing on day of bombings. Said to have turned very religious two years ago. ID found in No 30 bus.
    Shehzad Tanweer (confirmed): Aged 22, born Bradford, lived Beeston, Leeds. Studied religion in Pakistan. Forensic evidence linking him to Aldgate blast.
    Lindsey Germaine: Jamaican-born man who lived in Buckinghamshire.

    BBC News - Bomb suspects: Key facts

    Interesting to read some articles - especially in Pakistan-Afghanistan relationship pre-9/11 attacks, and Pakistan's minister of state for foreign affairs, Mohammad Siddique Khan Kanju.

    PS  YES - foreign to us but very common name in Pakistan. Mohammad - Khan - separated by a single name: Siddique.

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    by Oui on Fri Jul 15th, 2005 at 10:37:07 AM EST
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    Thanks. It appears that although the two men are definitely not the same, they were connected. British intelligence is apparently investigating the leak of Noor Khan's name in late July 2004 and Khan'sn ties to many members of this same group. There may be a mastermind apparently tied to both the bombing and to the khan who had been turned and became a covert operative inside Al-Qaeda. The mastermind may have gotten away when the US admin. leaked Khan's name in order tos core political points during the uS election.

    If this is true, every American should apologize to the British families who lost loved ones because we have utterly failed in bringing pressure on our government to tell the truth and put the cause of justice, peace, and honor above their petty selfish (and dangerous) interests.

    If indeed the mastermind is ever found and he is shown to have ties to Noor Khan, then I expect the British people to respond furiously to the American betrayal of the 50-odd people who died.

    by Upstate NY on Fri Jul 15th, 2005 at 11:01:28 AM EST
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    Posted @ Daily Kos by jmmcgowanjm

    Simultaneous Bombing Exercise
    Peter Powers-BBC5
    Netanyahu above it.
    Giuliani yards away. What was G doing "yards away"
    15th World Conference on Disaster Management.

    Rudy's partner is with Peter Powers here, but not in the recently altered site.

    Organizers of the Madrid and Istanbul bombings are believed to be in Iraq, well beyond the reach of Western security services. Now isn't that convenient. I wonder if the police informants responsible for setting up the Madrid bombings are also in Iraq.

    Experts say that it is unlikely that the three Leeds men would have known initially that this was a suicide operation.
    No kidding, especially since one of the supposed suicide bombers, Mohammed Sidique Khan, was a father of an 8-month-old girl and worked with disabled children--not exactly the profile of a suicide bomber. If Khan was a fanatical Muslim, he sure didn't act like one. "Imran Zaman [a neighbor], said he had never seen Khan at the local mosque," the Associated Press explains

    by jmmcgowanjm on Fri Jul 15th, 2005 at 02:27:52 PDT  

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    by Oui on Fri Jul 15th, 2005 at 11:08:25 AM EST
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    Possible links between militant groups based in Pakistan and Shehzad Tanweer, a Briton of ethnic-Pakistani origin who was one of four bombers in the July 7 attack on London that killed at least 54 people.

    "The Pakistan security agencies have picked up four people ... but we were not involved in this operation," a Faisalabad police official told Reuters on condition of anonymity.

    One of the groups being checked is Jaish-e-Mohammad (Army of Mohammad), linked to al Qaeda and banned by Pakistan in 2002. The other group is Lashkar-e-Taiba, which like Jaish has a record of fighting in Indian Kashmir, but unlike Jaish has a reputation for tight discipline and is not known to have any operational ties with al Qaeda.

    One Pakistani intelligence source said Tanweer visited Pakistan in 2003 and 2004.

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    by Oui on Fri Jul 15th, 2005 at 08:35:18 PM EST

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