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A few points:

It would be wise to consider all reports dating from 7th or 8th July regarding conclusions of a complicated, ongoing forensic investigation as suspect. Unless local investigators were incredibly lucky, and no such evidence for that exists, it is unlikely that the British forensics experts would have accumulated or identified sufficient physical evidence regarding how the bombs were either constructed or activated - bear in mind that all 4 scenes were forensically complex and difficult. The bus was in situ for 10 days whilst investigators were recovering material for the investigation; the scenes on the tube are even more complex.

Unnamed US authorities saying that the British investigation had done/recovered x is always a suspect form of words. They are far removed from the scene, and are indulging US press speculation. Cannistraro apprears to have been just plain wrong regarding the recovery of unexploded devices, so why is he being referred to? The Guardian form of words is probably misleading - suspect, but innocent, packages would be more accurate. At any rate - all these early US- sourced statements of what the British investigators have found or said, have turned out to bear no relation to what British investigators have actually said.

Bear in mind that there were large numbers of inaccurate reports on the 7th itself - most notably that there were 7 explosions, 3 buses were bombed, there was a litter-bin bomb, that police had shot a suicide bomber at Canary Wharf, that devices were found in Cardiff. This all seems to have been, er, crap.

I don't consider the lack of a bomb-belt significant regarding the suicide bomber theory - there would have been lots of reasons why they might not have gone down that route - and this would include the fact that they would have had to be wearing them for hours whilst in transit to their scenes of crime - and this would have necessitated bulky clothing for concealment, not jeans and t-shirts. In the context of a UK summer, dressing in a puffa jacket or overcoat could be bit of a giveaway. There's always a tendency to impose prior event paradigms on these kinds of spectaculars - the initial assumption that this wasn't a suicide attack was based on the example of Madrid.

This is the real issue - terrorists replicate what works, that's true; but they don't always follow the same MO. If the London bombers and Madrid bombers had no "operational" connections , then their MO's are liable to be different.

I would also suggest that whilst there are plenty of people thinking "conspiratorially" about these events, it should not be forgotten that terrorists think this way as well. The ambiguities and apparent inconsistencies are just as likely to be "design features" - and there are coherent reasons for this. Given that the attacks took place when the UK's counterterrorism resources were deployed and focussed elsewhere ( stretched ), there has to be an equal possibility that the planners, by tying up large portions of the UK's domestic and foreign security/forensic/investigative resources are intent on creating further holes that they can exploit.

by londanium on Mon Jul 18th, 2005 at 09:28:59 AM EST
The short version is I agree with you completely, that there are just as many questions as answers.

But the question of whether or not the men were suicide bombers is absolutely essential and I wrote the above article to keep the focus on that topic.

And not to strap on the hat any further, yes it's true that 1500 London officers were in Scotland at the time but the whole incident of a private company running counter-terrorism exercises at the exact same stations is very odd.

I still haven't read anywhere on whose behalf Powers' org was doing them for either. Have you?

Pax

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by soj on Mon Jul 18th, 2005 at 09:49:15 AM EST
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No, I haven't. And until the company that Powers was working for identifies itself, and other individuals who were involved in the exercise come forward to corroborate the details then there is not much else to be said.

Now, I would suggest that if Powers is telling the truth, these considerations would trump any version of commercial confidentiality that could be pulled out of the hat. It would be reasonable to assert that there was an issue with either Power's company, or his client's, personnel or computer security that needs to be thoroughly investigated by the police.

I would certainly agree that the necessity to conclusively identify whether the bombers were suicide bombers is an essential feature of the investigation. If they lack any testamentary evidence that bombers left behind, then the only way that it will be possible to make a determination of this will be the mechanics of the bombs themselves. My guess is that this will take weeks, if not months - and this will make it difficult to prioritise lines of inquiry and correctly allocate resources for the time being - ie it contributes to a resource stretch.

by londanium on Mon Jul 18th, 2005 at 10:22:25 AM EST
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Indeed... although I am reminded that investigators found part of the timing device (electronic in that case) of the bomb used to blow up Pan Am 103.  And that was a far bigger bomb, with the debris scattered much farther.

While it will take a while to wrap up the subway bombings due to the location, it seems to me like they should know already if there is physical evidence of a timer or not on the bus.

Pax

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by soj on Mon Jul 18th, 2005 at 11:08:19 AM EST
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They may well know the details of the bus bomb - there was a spot on the BBC earlier today suggesting that the casings used for the bombs were plastic food containers, and that Jermaine Lindsay had purchased large quantities (£700.00) of Hugo Boss perfume - speculatively explained as an accelerant?

However, for the sake of investigative rigour, they would still need to determine that at least 2 of the bombs were triggered in an identical fashion.

That said, there has been no official or well-sourced information regarding the bus-bomb being trigger or timer activated.

by londanium on Mon Jul 18th, 2005 at 11:48:52 AM EST
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My impression of the piece on the Hugo Boss perfume was that in addition to its possible use as an accelerant, the contanters were round metal balls that look very like the classic "bomb" shape in cartoons.

There has been a lot made of two controlled explosions that the police organised at the bus bomb site. These were very likely precautionary measures to open suspicious parcels that were found (the polic have stated this). In the early days the explosives were thought to be military or construction grade high explosives rather than the mixture we are now told it was. That required both more room and a greater weight of explosive so the possibility of the "bus bomber" carrying more than one is unlikely.

I remember hearing at least one report that a timing device had been found embedded in the remains of one of the bombers. I think that was the bus and the forensic examination is obviously going to be long - he was identified as being on the bus as his description matched that of a head found at the scene.

by Londonbear on Mon Jul 18th, 2005 at 11:18:10 PM EST
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Most if not all first reports on any such disaster like 7/7 end up being wrong.  Add that to news people-in the US going overboard with breathlessly endless  speculation etc etc and after a few days some of them start believing their own speculations and this in turn gets repeated by other news networks and pretty soon the US news thinks they have it all figured out...so there. I get more embarrassed by our so called news-cable news every day.

"People never do evil so throughly and happily as when they do it from moral conviction."-Blaise Pascal
by chocolate ink on Mon Jul 18th, 2005 at 11:40:34 PM EST
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