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Well I appreciate the easy dismissal of what I've done Coleman.  When I first started reading some tinfoil stuff that's been written, I did the same.

It's a little bit more than media speculation however.  The head of French counter-terrorism is a little more knowledgeable than the guy who cleans the office of the girl who knows a cousin of someone actually involved in the investigation I would think.  

I might add that I'm writing this series in different parts so they will (potentially) add up to a cohesive whole.  This particular "episode" focused on the explosives and in my humble and apparently underrated opinion, this issue is quite important.

If the explosives were "do it yourself" that a chemistry major could whip up in a bathtub with ordinary ingredients, that's quite frightening.  It means that any terrorist, from the fanatical Muslim type to the Eric Rudolph Christian type to the Basque type to the white British neonazi type might soon be whipping up batches for more mayhem.

On the other hand, if these were military explosives, that's a major break.  Because military explosives can be traced back to their origin, which might be an essential clue as to who orchestrated this event.

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by soj on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 07:26:23 AM EST
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To be fair to Colman, Chaboud, cited in  a Scotsman article dated the 12th July, uses the words "appear" and "probably" when he "suggests" that the explosives were of Balkan military origin. Basically, Chaboud was making speculative comments which were not empirically or evidentially based. Given that Chaboud has an agenda ( it was Gerbouzi wot dunnit! ) - he is no more reliable a source than any other.

Ironically, the Scotsman sidebar leads to today's report that the investigators have still not identified the explosives used in the bombings. Likewise the FT cites unnamed intelligence sources - that appear to be just plain wrong about this.

The reality is, that poring over the contradictory press reports just illuminates how much noise there is propagated in the press, and how hard it is to discern the signal.

by londanium on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 08:00:51 AM EST
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I do note however that Chaboud has been in London working with Scotland Yard.  Obviously like I said in my intro, we'll have to wait until the investigation is over but it does seem like he was eager to spill some beans and was in a position to see the info on said beans.

Why he would do so falls into the realm of the political... I'm curious however if "Balkans" is a codeword for "Czech Republic".

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by soj on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 08:29:04 AM EST
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Why Czech Republic? Is there something going on there we should be aware of? I can't keep track any more.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 08:38:18 AM EST
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In light of Londanium's comments, I might be on the wrong track here.  Czech Republic manufactured an explosive called Semtex, which for many years did not have any chemical tags added so it was virtually undetectable (while being transported).

A lot of it was sold to Libya during the Communist era, when the Arab states were "friendlies".  

Pax

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by soj on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 09:50:33 AM EST
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I've heard of it. There's still rather a lot of it knocking around Ireland and the UK: the IRA got loads of it, and I don't believe much was actually used (relatively).
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 09:52:51 AM EST
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I'd contextualise Chaboud's comment in the following way: The French intelligence and security services have been well pissed off with the UK for a good ten years now regarding the large numbers of Algerians that they would rather see "off the streets". The UK, operating on old "gentleman's agreement" principles, has resisted French pressure to lock up or deport lots of people, and there has been a history of conflict over this issue.

Whilst he may have been in London assisting the investigation - he's not a ground-floor forensics investigator; and his language was hedged in such a way in the article for it to be clear that it was a speculative take.

There's also the prior event paradigm to take into account: seeing events in London in the light of events in Madrid, whilst "natural" - I certainly did to begin with - often leads down the wrong track. I doubt that Chaboud is any more immune to this than most of us - and I would certainly characterise him as someone likely to have a political agenda that he is seeking to advance.

I think that references to the Balkans would not include the Czech Republic. Specifically, I would guess that Chaboud is referring to the Former Yugoslavia or Albania, but I couldn't narrow it down any further than that. If he's referencing smuggled Balkan explosives then it's likely that he is making the obvious point that people and drug smuggling networks can also be used to smuggle explosives.

by londanium on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 09:11:52 AM EST
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I'm not being dismissive. I appreciate your hard work. I just don't believe that the vast majority of "facts" reported in the media have any basis in reality. Even if the head of French intelligence knew something, would he tell the truth at this time?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 08:06:44 AM EST
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David Copeland - the white neo-nazi 1999 London nail-bomber - constructed his bombs using fireworks as the explosive ingredient. And ammonium nitrate/fuel oil combinations have long been popular with terrorists - IRA, McVeigh etc.

I think that one of the "issues" regarding this type of terrorism is that there is a DIY element to it - which makes it templateable and easily reproducible, elsewhere described as "open source" . This has obvious consequences when policy makers are always looking for state-based links and high-tech angles; AQ and affiliates are really "jiu-jitsu" practitioners, and are, as far as I can tell, interested in looking for low-tech, easily replicable methods.

by londanium on Tue Jul 19th, 2005 at 10:16:32 AM EST
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