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Folks, say hello to the bafflingly multilingual Brutus - our newest member, and Norwegian numero 8...

The world's northernmost desert wind.
by Sirocco (sirocco2005ATgmail.com) on Mon Aug 15th, 2005 at 12:17:21 PM EST
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To our resident Norwegians: how similar are Norwegian, Swedish, and Danish? I gather (from experience with a bunch of Scnadanavian friends) that they're partly intelligible, but no one's been clear on just how close they are, and how understood someone could be to a speaker of the other two languages if they spoke in their native one...
by Scipio on Mon Aug 15th, 2005 at 12:32:53 PM EST
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It depends. Norwegians usually understand both Swedish and Danish quite well, and better than Swedes and Danes, respectively, understand Norwegian - let alone, each other. This is probably because (i) Norwegian dialects vary significantly, so that Norwegians develop a 'flexible ear' as they grow up; (ii) Norwegians have been more exposed to Swedish TV, pop music, and cinema than vice versa; (iii) bokmål, the dominant of the two written forms of Norwegian, is closely related to Danish for historic reasons.

Thus, many Norwegians find it fairly easy to read Danish and understand spoken Swedish, while often hard put to comprehend what Danes are saying ("Danish isn't a language but a throat condition," as the expression goes) and finding it somewhat straining to read Swedish. Danes and Swedes also understand each other in general, but with ample misunderstandings - sometimes compounded by cultural differences.

To communicate smoothly across the languages one has to learn a glossary of terms and, above all, be aware that words can have different meanings. 'Pule' for instance, means 'play' in Swedish and, well, 'fuck' in Norwegian. I imagine it's a bit like Spanish and Portuguese, but since I speak neither I don't really know how mutually intelligible those are.

The world's northernmost desert wind.

by Sirocco (sirocco2005ATgmail.com) on Mon Aug 15th, 2005 at 01:13:27 PM EST
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I imagine it's a bit like Spanish and Portuguese, but since I speak neither I don't really know how mutually intelligible those are.

Spanish and Portugese are really similar.  I actually  think that Catalan is father from Spanish than Portugese (and Gallego) is.  I speak only Spanish, but I find that I can comprehend written Portugese with a little bit of trouble. I had a Brazilian friend who tried to help us learn some portugese, and then we taught him some English.  

If you want to try to learn a really hard language try to learn Basque, it's nothing like Spanish.  Speaking of Basque, I wonder if anyone else saw the mess at the illegal rally by the basque seperatist party Batasuna.  You know how Scots have the cable toss?  I think that the annual torch the trash bin and hurl towards the police might be the quintessential Basque sport. I think that this also explains the odd "No hot ashes" signs on trash bins near the apartment I lived in.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Mon Aug 15th, 2005 at 11:37:09 PM EST
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...probably more like Italian and Spanish. Spanish and Portuguese are mutually understandable only in writing... in spoken word, the Portuguese understand the Spanish but not the other way around usually, as the pronounciation is so complex and "chopped out". Italians and Spaniards do understand each other, much like Swedes and Danes. I am Italian and have studied both Spanish and Portuguese (Brazillian) - I still have much less trouble with Spanish.
by gongo on Tue Aug 16th, 2005 at 09:39:40 AM EST
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Correction: There are actually nine of us.

The world's northernmost desert wind.
by Sirocco (sirocco2005ATgmail.com) on Mon Aug 15th, 2005 at 07:00:14 PM EST
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Expat American, actually, but I was speaking 3 languages by age 10, hehe.
by Brutus on Tue Aug 16th, 2005 at 11:16:55 PM EST
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