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I'd trust him more than Simmons.  He's retired and not trying to sell books!

Also fits with what the STEM companies were saying/doing in 1980.  Target for Saudi was about 15 MMBD.

STEM = Socal(Chevron),Texaco,Exxon,Mobil -- the Aramco four.

by HiD on Sun Aug 21st, 2005 at 07:04:15 PM EST
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Well, the main point is that no one seriously believes that Saudia Arabia can produce more than 20 Mbpd at any time in the futuure.

And if Saudia Arabia cannot produce at that level, then world supply and demand will be out of balance by 2020, even with very optimistic assumptions about depletion rates.

by corncam on Sun Aug 21st, 2005 at 10:22:08 PM EST
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not necessarily. (and not at all in fact as you cannot have more demand than supply by simple mass balance the piddley amounts in the SPR and european storage don't give you much cushion).

Price will make a big difference in 2010.  These demand growth estimates assume oil demand is inelastic.  It isn't over a 5 year period.

Go back and look at a world demand curve from 1970 to 1990.  In 1979 the curve (when extrapolated) indicated 120+ MMBD demand by now.  Didn't happen.  This current price step change and the soon to come leg up to $100 crude will make a big difference.

by HiD on Mon Aug 22nd, 2005 at 02:18:09 AM EST
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In the 70s/80s you had the easy fix os switching industrial use and power generation away from fuel. THAT's what made the biggest contribution to lower oil consumption. Better mileage and changing driving habits played a smaller part, after a lot of pain. Now the whole demand reduction will need to come from the drivers. it's going to require A LOT MORE pain.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Mon Aug 22nd, 2005 at 03:05:10 AM EST
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It will be ugly; just like taking a toy away from a spoiled kid.  It's not all that hard, but rough on the eardrums.  Is it really all that painful to drive a 60 MPG glorified golf cart 15 miles to work instead of a Lincoln Navigator?  Not if everyone else has to also and no one laughs at you.

US transportation use is still huge and mostly wasted.  
DOE data show US demand at 7.4 MMBD in 1978, 6.5 in 1982 and 9.1 in 2004.  We'll be up to roughly 9.3 this year.  So the last price shock trimmed 10-15% very quickly but then the price crashed right back down.  We've since increased demand by 40-50% even with greatly improved technology available.  We're pigs.  Data at:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/aer/pdf/pages/sec5_25.pdf

Last week's DOE data show 9.8 MMBD mogas production +imports.  That's 12%ish of the entire world's crude production for just 5% of the world's population....  Check any traffic jam.  90% of the cars are single occupant.  Time for reality to bite the American consumer in the ass.

We can easily shave US use in half in 5 years if we have to.  We won't like the price or the laws that motivate people to do it, but it can be done. Most people are just too damn lazy to car pool unless they have to.  Up until now, the variable cost of driving alone was small beer.  A 25 mile commute or 50 miles/day at 20 MPG and $1.50/gallon was just $3.75 in variable cost.  Less than the Starbucks latte.  The cost of the car itself has never been a factor in most people's commuting decision.  You have to have a car or you just aren't a real 'murican.

We all know we can have cars that get 60 MPG.  We just don't like them (your penis might shrink you know) and could afford to humor ourselves. I still lust for a Ferrari 456 with it's 12 MPG--one of my Wall Street buds just dropped $50K for hybrid Lexus SUV that only gets 25 MPG, but it has neck snapping acceleration.  But he makes 5 big ones a year and could care less what gas costs.  When the price of gas or rationing limits us to real transportation needs instead of rolling Viagra, we can cut oil use way back.

The first two years we lived in London, we used the bus/tube almost exclusively.  Didn't even own a car and it wasn't like we couldn't afford one.  My old man took the bus to work in the 60's because he couldn't afford the cost of parking/gas/2nd car for mom.  Welcome back to reality USA.

by HiD on Mon Aug 22nd, 2005 at 05:10:42 AM EST
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