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I will go out on a limb here to ask for help with the following. This page
http://goldwater.mideastreality.com/2004/sep/10_16.html
is obviously sponsored by someone with a "viewpoint."

But there are listed here extracts from newspaper articles about significant problems in Sweden with immigrants. For example: "Malmo, Sweden. The police now publicly admit what many Scandinavians have known for a long time: They no longer control the situation in the nations's third largest city. It is effectively ruled by violent gangs of Muslim immigrants. Some of the Muslims have lived in the area of Rosengard, Malmo, for twenty years, and still don't know how to read or write Swedish."

Are these fair translations of mainstream newspapers? Or is this just one hack quoting another hack?

Is the failure to "do something" about this sort of thing an example of European cowardice?

Can someone offer a fair description of the immigrant situation in Europe? What leads to such racial hatred that guys like Le Pen can have successful political parties? America has not had an openly racist presidential candidate since George Wallace in the 1960s, but Europe has ultra-right-wing parties and skinheads in the newspaper frequently. What is really going on?

by asdf on Sun Aug 21st, 2005 at 11:16:04 AM EST
What is really going on, asdf, is that you are posting trollier and trollier crap comments. Falsely naive questions. Lousy unsubstantiated quotes that don't mean a damn thing and that you know don't mean a damn thing. Oh dear me how hard it is for me to understand...

Tell me. Do you understand the article excerpted above by  das monde? Do you understand the importance, the level in the press hierarchy, of the person who wrote it? Do you agree with it? Does it seem to you to draw a correct portrait of what George W Bush's America is doing, of what Europe is doing, of the world situation? Can't you address yourself to that?

Let's see you grow a brain and stop waving around the shitty little bugs you spend your time digging out from under slimy rocks.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 21st, 2005 at 03:59:09 PM EST
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I know what you mean - quoting what is obviously a extreme-right Israeli website is certainly not the best way to start a discussion about Muslims in Europe, and this thread was not really the place for it (it could have been if that question had been linked to the text being discussed), but the topic itself is valid, and asdf has made a number of substantive commetns elsewhere.

Can I suggest to asdf that s/he prepare a diary on that topic?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Aug 21st, 2005 at 06:37:19 PM EST
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You're right, that is not a good post.
by asdf on Sun Aug 21st, 2005 at 09:31:28 PM EST
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Western cities suffer from many criminal gangs: Turkish, Serbian, Russian, Romanian, whatever. I don't see it as a particularly Muslim problem. It is not very productive to stress that aspect. Immigrants with the same background tend to stick together, and sometimes behave like criminal groups. It is more like economic barbarism than religious or national stand.
by das monde on Sun Aug 21st, 2005 at 07:59:08 PM EST
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And even more to the point, the immigrants, the illegal ones, were transported by gangs, stay under the control of the gangs when they arrive and are afraid of the police.

We have problems here with this sort of crap, and it's almost always organised crime from within the ethnic groups committing crimes against members of the ethnic groups. We had some Chinese kidnapping rings that seemed terribly surprised when the police came after them: they didn't expect anyone to care.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Aug 22nd, 2005 at 06:02:34 AM EST
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