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First, people that believe in "market solutions" have rarely worked around a real market.  They just have a belief structure that allows them to rationalize selfish behavior. Markets work to satisfy the needs of the strongest participants.  Hence an infinite amount of work for the Eliot Spitzers of the world. I've worked in the European oil market where rules were laughed at.  The slimy people you have to interact with in that world have zero scruples and little honor. They aren't the majority but they have a big chunk of the business. Some pretty disgusting crap was going on.

That said, the analogy of the bakery where suddenly 50/100 have to die due to lack of bread is silly.  The world produces about 84.5 MMBD of crude at the moment and is using a little less (world stocks are building for 4th quarter).  Saudi/Kuwait/UAE "slack" that held prices down for a generation is gone. What is the likely scenario from here?

Even at current high prices we are likely to see modest growth in world demand.  Let's guess 2% or 1.7 MMBD.  If OPEC or other producers cannot meet the increased demand and we begin to see an imbalance, prices will rise very quickly.  The weakest buyers will have to do with less.  As will anyone who chooses to conserve to minimize their energy expense.  Balance comes back by necessity.  We can all cut 2% if there is a societal pressure to do so, especially if it is backed up by a 30% rise in price.

People like me that were driving 15 yr old rolling wrecks getting 15 MPG will pay for a new vehicle getting 25+.  In the last year, I put 170 gallons of gas back into the system or 40% of my prior demand.  Others will ditch Ford Excursions for Prius'.  Chinese taxi occupants will consider going back to the bike if the choice is gas or food.  

Each year the screw will likely turn a little tighter, but there isn't going to be some magic date when a switch is flipped and no one can buy any gas (barring a nuke on Ras Tanura).  Some may really suffer in energy hog societies like the US until they move or make other accomodations, but  Africans  making $200/yr will barely notice.  They already pay obscene prices for the little bit of fuel they use.  Ditto 900 million of the 1 billion in India and 1.1 billion of the 1.3 billion Chinese.

Over time, our economies will shift to value energy more.  We will have to make changes in our lives.  But is it really all that awful to have to give up on some of that cheap plastic crap from Walmart?  Energy use for fertilizer is not that enormous (and mostly nat gas based anyway).  We already pay farmers to grow less and most of our grain production goes to produce meat.  Could we all eat meat only 3-5 times a week like my parents did in the 1930-40's?  Sure.  Probably do us all a world of good.  Will food be priced beyond reach?  Bah.  and the cost of transport to market is a tiny percentage of US transportation energy use.

I just don't see the world meltdown scenario the wild eyed fringe among the peak oilers do.

by HiD on Wed Aug 24th, 2005 at 01:18:23 AM EST
I also knew some real princes in the european energy biz and many of the sleazeballs in the Euro market were Americans.  And the American market is only cleaner (and not by a lot witness the Enron mess) because there isn't all the juridictional boundary problems.
by HiD on Wed Aug 24th, 2005 at 01:21:42 AM EST
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A water buffalo costs $500 and lives for decades. A tractor for plowing the rice paddies costs $1,500 plus you need to purchase diesel. Easy calculation for the small Thai rice paddy farmer!

That means much oil saved for the Western SUV's now being marketed.

I recently posted this after reading a news item!

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by Oui on Wed Aug 24th, 2005 at 03:08:46 AM EST
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The link to the post about SUV's is very much to the point!
Doing some googling on it I can find several pieces of information on the amounts of SUV's but no reliable statistics yet. What is clear however is that the driving of SUV's is all about mach-oism.
This source  http://www.jsonline.com/wheels/peak/mar05/306235.asp
shows that it is not just about SUV's but pickup-trucks as well. Some over 3000 kg...
The macho-ism is part of my worries. I remember that the Bushists campaigning against Kerry came up with a distortion of his ideas on taxing gas. The Kerryists defence focused on the distorting part, not on the gas-guzzling.

Part of the campaign must be ideological. In Dutch conversation I prefer to refer to the SUV's with the word "PC-Hooft-tractor". The word comes from comedian Yoep van 't Hek. The wording refers to the fact that SUV's can be seen most of the times on the Amsterdam street with the most expensive shops: the PCHooft-straat where they preposterously brake for speed humps!
Any English equivalents for this ridiculing description?

    ...Save democracy from direct elections
by FransGroenendijk on Wed Aug 24th, 2005 at 05:16:08 AM EST
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First, people that believe in "market solutions" have rarely worked around a real market.  They just have a belief structure that allows them to rationalize selfish behavior. Markets work to satisfy the needs of the strongest participants.  (...) I've worked in the European oil market where rules were laughed at.
I have that strong impression too. I like this confirmation from inside.

The comparison with people dying for shortage of bread is a bit exaggerated (it was not my own btw) but it makes very clear what you are actually talking about when claiming (correctly!) that the price mechanism will take care of shortages.

(I worked for a multinational for a while, for a small enterprise and in education. By incident I drive a car that is rather big and because of its age not very efficient in my view. It takes a litre for a little over 13 km, so that is about 30 miles a gallon )

    ...Save democracy from direct elections
by FransGroenendijk on Wed Aug 24th, 2005 at 04:35:27 AM EST
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Trimming 1%/year of oil use for 2 decades will be more like putting a 150 Kg man on a diet.  Most of our oil use is in Western societies where we waste a big percentage.  Cutting back won't kill us.

If you are an Xurban idiot commuting 75 miles one way to town for your job, you will be screwed.  That it, until you move back to town or get the job moved to Xurbia. Or ride the bus.....

by HiD on Wed Aug 24th, 2005 at 04:14:18 PM EST
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