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Don't we big blue urban areas with public transport exist? The greater NYC metro area has more people in it than all of Holland, is incredibly densely populated, and has great public transport. That's the extreme example but the DC, Chicago, and Boston metro areas all have decent public transport.  On the opposite extreme is  the LA metro area - also more people than Holland but with a pathetic excuse for a transit system.

But that takes me to a pet peeve of mine. To make public transport work well you need to accept high density housing. Unfortunately the Nimby attitude is alive and well among both blue and red America.

On the positive side I remember reading after the Nov. elections that Colorado approved a major commuter rail project for the greater Denver area. If it gets built I believe it will be the first large scale mass transit project to be created since the Washington Metro and that one I believe is the only post WWII one - i.e. the only one since the advent of the car culture.

by MarekNYC on Fri Aug 26th, 2005 at 11:40:08 PM EST
Don't big red urban areas with mass transit exist?  :-)

The Colorado Springs area has about the population of Luxembourg, is incredbily densely populated (Luxembourg: 2586 sq km, CS: 482 sq km), and has pretty good public transport, considering its reputation.

Sure, we love our SUVs when an emergency arises and a trip is needed to the grocery store for ice cream. But we have bus service
http://www.springsgov.com/Page.asp?NavID=1191
and point-to-point service for the disabled and a free downtown shuttle and a pretty comprehensive bike path system with around 500 miles of off-street and on-street bike lanes.
http://www.trailsandopenspaces.org/trails/index.htm

No passenger train service, though. Just coal
http://www.mtnwestrail.com/roadtrip/sept0499.htm
(This last link worth looking at if you want to know what Colorado really looks like...)

And while not so "blue", Denver is indeed currently building a suburban extension to it's light rail system, and there's a proposal (that has bipartisan support) for a new passenger rail service connecting Cheyenne, Denver, CS, Pueblo, and Albuquerque.

by asdf on Sat Aug 27th, 2005 at 09:55:31 AM EST
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Atlanta's subway system (MARTA) is also fairly new.  Construction began in the mid-1970s and it has become a pretty good system.
by corncam on Sat Aug 27th, 2005 at 02:34:36 PM EST
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Thanks, didn't know about that one. The only other postwar mass transit system I was aware of was BART in the Bay area and that one is rather mediocre.
by MarekNYC on Sat Aug 27th, 2005 at 03:01:16 PM EST
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Chicago has a pretty reliable and thorough, if terribly managed, public transportation system.  But even still, most of the people I know have cars and a lot of them SUV's.  It is a little disturbing.  And there is still some stigma about taking the buses.  Only poor people have to take the bus kinda thing...  People mostly take the public transportation system out of necessity rather than some enlightened mindset.

And if you want to leave the city and get somewhere rural, you really have to have a car.  You can take a train to the suburbs, but once you are there you still need a car.  

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Sat Aug 27th, 2005 at 05:58:54 PM EST
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