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And why are the Greens not profiting from this?
I've heard of the visa scandal at the Foreign Affairs Ministry (visa given much too easily to Eastenr European nationals, including what turned out to be human trafficking rings) that has really embarrassed Joshka Fischer (the minister and leader of ther Greens), nut is that enough to explian their mediocre recent performance? Or am I missing something?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Aug 5th, 2005 at 06:23:18 AM EST
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I think the Greens are having a problem motivating people other than the base.  I've just read through their (incredibly boring) election manifesto and it reads like a leftist wet dream: a welfare states with a basic support (health, pensions and also basic living) for all, emphasizing honorary social work, and moving towards a society where everybody works less, so everybody has at least some work, along with a strong overarching commitment to sustainability.

However, they really have a low profile in all welfare things and their manifesto is awfully short on numbers and specific details.  This, along with the fact, that they helped push through the latest SPD reforms makes them pretty unattractive for disappointed SPD voters.  Which is really sad, because if anybody is looking for a strong left party, the Greens are the obvious choice, IMHO.

I'm not really sure about the implications of the visa scandal. Joshka Fischer was our most popular polutician in the last 7 years with a 70+ approval rating and he's tanked a little.  The Greens however stayed pretty much at 8%, no loss, but also no gains.

by hesk on Fri Aug 5th, 2005 at 11:06:30 AM EST
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BTW, by "incredibly boring" I meant the style, not the substance.  I was quite astonished to read such a strong commitment to leftist ideals there.
by hesk on Fri Aug 5th, 2005 at 11:09:35 AM EST
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(After all, they were my first conscious political allegiation when I was in Germany, would vote for them if I moved back there, and they are the pushers of alternative energies and feed-in laws I praised here...)

hesk: by "incredibly boring" I meant the style, not the substance.

I'm relieved to read :-)

In the last few years, I saw a few polls on German voters' desires regarding the best party combination to govern. It was indeed distressing to see that for most voters as well as most SPD voters, a Grand Coalition or Union/FDP was preferred to anything with Green involvement - even tough, as I saw it, most successes of the Schröder government were tied to the Greens, and most failures to the SPD.

On the other hand, as you write, the Realo wing rule had some unfortunate effects. The Greens used to be taunted for being dreamy-eyed crusties, but now come the yuppies - the guy representing the Greens on TV debates I saw before the Schleswig-Holstein elections threw me off, he would have fitted perfectly into Westerwelle's Spaßpartei...

Anyway, I wish them well, and if they will have to be the opposition of a Grand Coalition, I hope the result will be double digits for them in the next state elections.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Aug 5th, 2005 at 02:26:04 PM EST
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Well, fortunately, the Realo wing in the Green Party still consists of a lot of dreamers, so much is evident from the manifesto.  And if you look at what they have achieved (or tried to achive) in the last 7 years, they realized some of the dreams.  Ie, exiting nuclear energy, a new citizenship law, an eco-levy on energy, strong consumer protection laws and so on.  I'm a bit disappointed that there are so few specifics in the manifesto, I'll have to take a look at their web site to find out more details about their proposals.

The problem with the Greens is that they fail to inspire anybody that is not already voting for them.  They are also very much a western party, except for Berlin they have a very weak showing in the east.  Maybe they should work more on the local level (like the PDS in the east) to draw more people towards them.

by hesk on Fri Aug 5th, 2005 at 04:00:43 PM EST
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LOL The Greens are the party I tend to identify with in Germany as well. But unlike you my sympathies gravitate towards the Realo wing.
by MarekNYC on Sat Aug 6th, 2005 at 01:50:35 AM EST
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I think the fight between the Realo and the Fundi wings of the Greens is long over.  The winner being the realistic dreamers (such as me).
by hesk on Sat Aug 6th, 2005 at 04:25:37 PM EST
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