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Direct democracy in what sense?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Aug 8th, 2005 at 02:12:31 AM EST
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Direct democracy like in Switzerland, where, if you gather enough signatures, you can force the parliament to look into an issue (a people's initiative) and if you gather even more signatures, you can force a referendum.

We only have this on the state level in various degrees.  Bavaria has the most experience with easy DD in Germany, and has had good results.

by hesk on Mon Aug 8th, 2005 at 01:54:02 PM EST
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It sounds like the various European systems are good and productive, but beware poorly engineered direct democracy systems.

California's direct democracy form (albeit at the state level also) called the initiative system, sounds like it shares some of the conduits of the Swiss system. If you gather enough signatures, you can get a special election, or an initiative on the ballot, or even a "recall" election. (This last one is the way Governor Schwarzenegger was elected, via a mid-term recall of Governor Davis, who was not so corrupt as to be indictable, but was not well-liked, especially by the conservative Republican faction in the State.)

Other states have this process, too, but the result is sometimes very messy -- initiatives are usually poorly or loosely written, and money drives the signature gathering and initiative agenda focus 100%. It's a sharp stick in the hand of the most wealthy individuals and special interest groups.

If it's just us, it seems like an awful waste of space. -Carl Sagan, Contact

by kaleefornian on Mon Aug 8th, 2005 at 03:32:04 PM EST
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Yes, I'm aware of the mess the system has produced in the US, although it is in some ways cited as a positive example (esp. California).

Anyway, the proposal by Mehr Demokratie is specifically designed for Germany's political system and includes certain safeguards:

  • Before an initiative (ie, a proposal to change a create a new law) can become a referendum, it is subjected to a review by our constitional court (called Normenkontrollverfahren), a process that already exists in other places in our system.  So, initiatives that don't make sense, get shot down early in the process.

  • The Bundestag can propose a counter-initiative or even just pass a law regarding the resolution.  There is also a place for negotiations at various places.  Finally, every voter gets a leaphlet containing arguments for the initiative or any counter-proposals by the Bundestag or others.  (This is copied from the Swiss.)

  • If you take part in an initiative (ie, private persons or public associations), you get compensated for your expenses (up to a limit of course).

Finally, they make a strong case that a direct democracy is not (or should not be) a way to pass laws, but to create a public debate regarding the issues.  Switzerland, Italy, parts of the US (California) and others are good examples.  It's like the entering of the Greens into the German Bundestag.  Like jandsm wrote, suddenly everybody had to talk about green issues which has had a strong influence on the country.
by hesk on Mon Aug 8th, 2005 at 06:11:00 PM EST
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