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Good points with those numbers; I'll add that the 10 million immigrants number is incorrect too, the percentage of resident Ausländer is now stable at 7.35 million and would be reduced significantly with citizenship reform ("immigrants" born in Germany...)

Marek, you wrote elsewhere that the expellee issue is actually your work, so I feel confident to quibble for some more details:

One, do you have a number for expellees in East Germany?

Two, could have been there a large number of expellees who weren't in official statistics, say because they found a new home with relatives and didn't register for state help, or moved on to another country (I guess primarily the USA)?

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One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Aug 8th, 2005 at 09:09:29 AM EST
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Sorry, just found a newer number (my previous one was for ewnd-of-2003, this one is end-of-2004): resident foreigners in Germany are down to 6.72 million.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Aug 8th, 2005 at 09:14:27 AM EST
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To this number you have to add the more 2.4 million immigrants from the former USSR who got German citizenship and who represent a big and yet unsolved integration problem. This is why I wrote "migrants" and not foreigners.
by jandsm on Mon Aug 8th, 2005 at 09:34:20 AM EST
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this number refers to immegration from the former communist countries since 1990.
by jandsm on Mon Aug 8th, 2005 at 09:36:03 AM EST
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On one hand, I think that number is similar to the number of integrated non-citizens - or less. On the other hand, I suspect those 2.4 million aren't all non-integrated, either. (Note tough, this all may be quibbling about numbers - while it may be a third to a half of what you wrote, I don't deny that there is a problem.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Aug 8th, 2005 at 09:44:57 AM EST
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DoDo, I don't happen to have the figures for the DDR offhand (I deliberately excluded them from my Diss to keep the already over large topic manageable - it also includes the Polish settlers, I'm concentrating on expellees from and settlers in Lower Silesia through 1970) but I believe it is about 4 mill. As to unofficial ones - no. Some did move on to other countries but the numbers are small and they were kept track of. I can look them up if you want.  The story of the expellees in the DDR has recently been the topic of various studies, I can give you references if you want. Initially the KPD had the same position on the borders as all other German parties but was quickly forced to change its tune by the Soviets, something which contributed to its loss of any significant popular support in the West even before it was made illegal.
by MarekNYC on Mon Aug 8th, 2005 at 01:48:29 PM EST
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