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why is it that in the US the Reds are conservative and in Germany the Reds are socialists?

Who is the colorblind nation here?

by mimi on Sun Sep 18th, 2005 at 01:32:30 PM EST
the reds are always to the left,

I understand that the coulours used to swap over in the states before every election and then one time they just got stuck the wrong way round

by PeWi on Sun Sep 18th, 2005 at 01:34:14 PM EST
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Red: traditional colour of the European workers' movements.
by Saturday (geckes(at)gmx.net) on Sun Sep 18th, 2005 at 01:42:24 PM EST
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I know, but ... isn't it that in the US the conservatives are Red, because they are Rednecks? But how does that make sense, because Rednecks should be very hardworking workers? How come the Rednecks, who work so hard under the sun, became conservatives instead of "worker" oriented? They should be more red than red ... life is so difficult to understand, don't you think?
by mimi on Sun Sep 18th, 2005 at 01:52:44 PM EST
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Howard Dean:

"I want to be the guy for people with pickup trucks and confederation flags."

by Saturday (geckes(at)gmx.net) on Sun Sep 18th, 2005 at 02:05:37 PM EST
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yeah, but wasn't that Dean's wishful thinking only? :-)
by mimi on Sun Sep 18th, 2005 at 02:55:06 PM EST
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I don't actually know the history of the political colors in the US. But I have a strong hunch the red-blue business is historically "shallow". As far as I can see, the only significance this color code has is in marking electoral maps on TV and the internet. (The generalizaton to "red states" and "blue states" is fairly recent for sure.) So my guess is this code may not even predate the era of TV. The political colors in Europe, on the other hand, go back to the 19th century, and they have a much wider currency. Black is the color of the (catholic) church; that's where the conservatives got it from. Red has been the color of the socialist movement from its inception. I don't know why they went for red, but a good guess is they wanted something as different from the conservative color as possible.

If you can't convince them, confuse them. (Harry S. Truman)
by brainwave on Sun Sep 18th, 2005 at 02:15:06 PM EST
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I do believe that the current Red/Blue breakdown is only around a decade old (though it has taken root like an old oak tree).  And it is reversed from what it should be.  I like the British system, with Red for Labour and Blue for the Tories.
by Rick in TX on Sun Sep 18th, 2005 at 02:33:36 PM EST
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U.S. TV networks (and others who present election information graphically) have colored their electoral maps red and blue for decades, but neither color was firmly attached to either major party.  Thus, for example, Dave Leip's very helpful Presidential Election Atlas site, which goes back to the early 1990s, uses red as the Dem color, blue as the GOP color.

This in part because both major political parties use red-white-and-blue as their color scheme (which actually tells you a fair bit about American politics and is suggestive of the differences -- or lack thereof -- between the two major parties). Thus neither party has a "natural" color that distinguishes it from the other.

However, entirely by chance AFAIK, the networks were using red as the Republican color and blue as the Democratic color on election night in 2000. The long, drawn-out drama of that night has, for the moment at least, turned red into the Republican color and blue into the Democratic color.

by GreenSooner (greensooner@NOSPAMintergate.com) on Sun Sep 18th, 2005 at 04:17:38 PM EST
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The mainstream "liberal" media in the States decided it would not possibly show their true commie colors, so it decided that the commies in the States would be red.

I must say I have no idea how the switch occurred by it has to be the result of decision made by the three major television channels.  Red=REpublican?


Ein Land ist nicht nur das, was es tut -- es ist auch das, was es verträgt, was es duldet.

by MoDem on Sun Sep 18th, 2005 at 01:45:28 PM EST
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