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in a mere quarter century. Started out with people from all over the place. Oodles of 70s-style ultraleftists, bundled up with a hearty chunk of progressive Xians, romantic conservatives, and people from all segments of the political center who under the combined impact of environmental devastation and the nuclear arms race for the first time in their lives came to question what we used to call "the system" in those days. Now it's a very different story. Not very many of those who founded the party have stuck around. Two people who have been there from the get-go are Joschka Fischer and Christian Stroebele, the most prominent representatives of the realo and fundie wings of the party. As you might imagine, realos want to change "the system" from within, whereas fundies refuse to be "corrupted" by it. Until about ten years ago, fundies held a strong majority among the party activists. And even these days, they are quite capable of mustering the votes it takes to, say, derail a party convention. But the realos have had one incredible success story, which ultimately swept Joschka Fischer into the vice chancellorship. The party of Joschka Fischer stands for sustainability, fiscal responsibility, and civil rights. Not a bad mixture IMO.

If you can't convince them, confuse them. (Harry S. Truman)
by brainwave on Tue Sep 20th, 2005 at 01:01:45 AM EST
the Greens also used to stand for peace. But since the Kosovo war (Fischer was one of the principal architects in Europe) there's been some confusion over this point... bear with us, we'll sort it out eventually ;-)

If you can't convince them, confuse them. (Harry S. Truman)
by brainwave on Tue Sep 20th, 2005 at 01:12:03 AM EST
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Thanks brainwave, I tried last night, trying to present the colourfull past of the German Greens with Army Generals and Naturist, but you did it so much more succinctly.

and to emphasis again, because I have learned that the "March through the insitutions" seem to be a peculiar German aspect of the peace and green movement.

So, I ask all the others here, was there a concerted attempt by eco-conscious, radical people to join established parties, become civil servants, teacher, church minister, get elected, from the outset in the 70ties, or is this something, that is slowly happening now?

by PeWi on Tue Sep 20th, 2005 at 11:01:39 AM EST
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As you know, the March through the Institutions started at the end of the Ausserparlamentarische Opposition against the grand coaltion 1966-1969. When the Green party formed ten years later, many took it as a new phase of the March, and some are still thinking about it that way now.

If you can't convince them, confuse them. (Harry S. Truman)
by brainwave on Tue Sep 20th, 2005 at 01:17:21 PM EST
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No, I know, the German situation reasonably well, but what about the US or Britain or France or other countries with a politically active and strong "Flowerpower" movement? Was there a similar acceptance of the need to reform from within, become a member of the establishment to adopt it then to one's peaceful and ecologic aims?
by PeWi on Tue Sep 20th, 2005 at 02:09:05 PM EST
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This is just my recollection, but in Britain and France in the 70s, I can't think of anything of the kind among the politically radical, ecologically aware counter-culture people. (Some of the Trots had plans of this sort, but that was the Trots.) It was more rejection of the whole shitheap, we were going to build something else. :-)
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 20th, 2005 at 03:10:47 PM EST
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I was in Boulder, Colorado, one of the hotbeds of The Revolution in the late sixties and early seventies, and I lived in a cooperative house with a bunch of other radicals. Some of whom are still radical. But what I remember most about the street protests and demonstrations was that there was a small core of solid radicals surrounded by a huge crowd of partiers, rowdies, and semi-interested bystanders. Mostly it was college students out for a day in the sun before going back to study for examinations.

I'm afraid that the number of true radicals in the U.S. is pretty small. Our lack of a viable socialist or green third party is a good indicator of this. In fact, our most visible third parties have been on the right, a la Perot in the late 1990s.

by asdf on Tue Sep 20th, 2005 at 03:20:53 PM EST
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