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Actually, less than half (41%) of the voters that abandoned the SPD this time went to the Left Party, as can be seen here: ARD analysis of voter movements. 26% went to the CDU and 15% didn't vote this time, the rest went to the Greens, the FDP and other parties.

The Left Party is (at least this time) not ready to be a stable partner for a government. There are tensions between the two parties forming the Left Party, the PDS from the east and the new WASG from the west. The PDS has had enough time to work out how to handle the hard hard left factions in their party, something the WASG has not done yet. And Lafontaine is mostly about himself and quite content to just protest loudly from the opposition without having to actually do something. They are not interested in governing and they are certainly not an attractive partner for any coalition.

by ltl on Mon Sep 19th, 2005 at 10:21:22 AM EST
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I'm so tired of all leftist nuts who rather drag down a working formula because of their "principles" (codeword for narcissism). The splintering of the left occurs everywhere and of course everyone is worse off because of it.

Here's hoping that "The Left Party" perish and realizes that they have to stick to SPD or the Greens and reform from within.

Nader and Lafontaine are enemies of the left.

by swedish liberal on Mon Sep 19th, 2005 at 10:43:10 AM EST
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Here's hoping that "The Left Party" perish and realizes that they have to stick to SPD or the Greens and reform from within.

Nader and Lafontaine are enemies of the left.

Lafontaine did try reform from within and was kicked out. Without these left parties there would be no left side at all. They are the ones that keep the others from drifting further to the right.

You may be tired of them, but then do you want to ignore 4 million voters?

Moon of Alabama

by Bernhard (MoonofA .at. aol .dot. com) on Mon Sep 19th, 2005 at 11:52:58 AM EST
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You may be tired of them, but then do you want to ignore 4 million voters?

Yup. What do we have here. In the East a party that was de facto created by the ex ruling party cadres who regretted the end of their dictatorship. That they get their votes from those who are understandably upset about the problems with the post-unification economy doesn't change that basic fact.

In the West, a hodgepodge fronted by Lafontaine who in addition to wanting a rollback of the reforms also has discovered a new found affection for extreme right wing xenophobia and racism.

51% of voters did indeed vote for one of the left wing parties. But are you really so sure that all of those voters genuinely want a red green red coalition? There is no way of knowing but I'm pretty certain that if Schroeder Fischer went into the campaign saying they were open to a coalition with the Linkspartei, we'd have been watching champagne corks popping at Adenauer Haus last night.

PS - There seems to be an immplication that ignoring a significant voting block is somehow wrong - why? If the NPD were to get into parliament would you find it strange or wrong that the CDU refused to work with it?

by MarekNYC on Mon Sep 19th, 2005 at 01:59:50 PM EST
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Marek, ignoring representatives while in parliament is one thing, not letting them have a party to vote for is another thing.

It is quite anti-democratic from large party supporters to advocate a democratic system where only their parties exist, even (or especially?) with reference to governability or their dislike for the smaller parties' agenda or persons.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Sep 20th, 2005 at 07:50:47 AM EST
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Here's hoping that "The Left Party" perish and realizes that they have to stick to SPD or the Greens and reform from within.

Nader and Lafontaine are enemies of the left.

Well, just as well, I could say: here's hoping that the SPD perishes and their voters realize that they have to stick to the Left party or the Greens and reform from within. Kerry and Schröder are enemies of the left.

(However, I don't really wish the SPD to die, and dislike egomaniac Lafontaine just as much as Kerry and Schröder.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Sep 20th, 2005 at 07:54:11 AM EST
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Well - the Left Party does not have to be in the administration or even in a coalition. The only have to vote for Schroeder within the Bundestag when that question comes up.

Minority governments are possible and in northern europe they are even quite frequent. So the Left does not need to do much  - just sit there and tip on Schröders shoulder whenever he gets to neolib.

Moon of Alabama

by Bernhard (MoonofA .at. aol .dot. com) on Mon Sep 19th, 2005 at 11:49:26 AM EST
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But if there were a minority government, the Left Party couldn't just abstain voting on all the laws, as SPD and Greens don't have more seats in the Bundestag than CDU/CSU+FDP. The Left Party would have to actively vote for the reforms of the government, which is not likely. And in foreign affairs, Schröder would have to depend on votes from the CDU or the FDP to be able to govern (continuation of the military missions, etc.), votes they will not provide to weaken him.

It would be nice if a red-green government could continue  to govern, it's just not realistic under the current circumstances.

by ltl on Mon Sep 19th, 2005 at 12:16:38 PM EST
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Sure, but if the reforms were ones the righties agreed with then they'd vote for them even if they didn't go as far as they might like, correct? In the interests of the nation and all that.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Sep 19th, 2005 at 12:22:48 PM EST
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No, the CDU and the FDP would just let the Chancellor hang out to dry. This way they could force new elections, with the possibility of winning against a weak and embarrassed Chancellor. And even if they would lose in this new election, I think even the most die-hard CDU/FDP politician would prefer a stable red-green government with a clear majority to something like this.

In this election campaign, Schröder used the old Adenauer election theme of "No experiments" successfully against the CDU, and a minority government with "pick-and-choose" majorities would certainly be extremely experimental.

by ltl on Mon Sep 19th, 2005 at 12:54:28 PM EST
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No, the CDU and the FDP would just let the Chancellor hang out to dry. This way they could force new elections, with the possibility of winning against a weak and embarrassed Chancellor.

After all, this is what Schröder did himself. The SPD blocked Kohl's tax reform plans in the Bundesrat with the SPD majority, then once in government (and once Lafontaine was dumped), they implemented something very similar.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Sep 20th, 2005 at 07:58:18 AM EST
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