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I wonder if the word skitalets isn't something about travelling. Let me see ... yes, definitely! I found by looking at google's first response, a website for tourists and travels (poutechestvenikov is one of the first words I learned)

Скиталец you are most probably a well-travelled person, like many of us here!

And skitalets, your opinion is interesting. I would tend to favour Jérôme's opinion for him being experienced in this field, but I dare say that it's possible that both of you, correction all of us, are way over our heads in this Gazprom matter, and that it's important that we stick around and talk even if sometimes we don't like some things said (for example I usually get goose bumps when people start saying that the French unemployment rate is high, I puff and huff and quickly say "it's been the same for 20 years, you punks", then I slowly start reaching for my gun, which gives ample time for people to retract their comment).

by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Jan 3rd, 2006 at 08:34:01 AM EST
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Alex, do you have advice for me to learn to reach SLOWLY for my gun ? I tend to react too quickly when I have goose flesh, and forget than blogging is writing and words stay engraved, while I feel like I am speaking when I write.

My own response to myself : grow up ! You people on ET are so moderate in your comments, not over-reacting and all that stuff, I'll start to believe you are old middle-aged people (ie above their thirties). Snark

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill

by Agnes a Paris on Tue Jan 3rd, 2006 at 08:39:42 AM EST
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To reach for it slowly, you have to put the gun in a place where it's difficult to reach, for example inside the offender's skull. Oh man I overdid it, sorry! I guess I unconsciously wanted to show that violence can be hidden in the most trivial comments.

Well about how to learn control on such issues as "someone else's understanding of your country", I was just lucky to be a member of the original fuckfrance.com when it started, shortly around the beginning of the war in Iraq. I first went there by curiosity, but ended up fighting verbally with the most conservative republican pricks in the world. Ex-marine officers who hated arabs and French people. Average joe schmoes who didn't hate anyone in particular but still believed that France was evil. French people who agreed that France was evil and who were totally pro-Bush.

To fight them I had to turn into them, it was very ugly. But one day, bam! I managed to make peace with some of them, and that day I started liking the place.

(but shortly after that a new wave of idiots joined and started harrassing again and at that point I left, too tired to have to go through the same stuff over and over again).

One thing I learned over there, is how to get people annoyed and angry. It's actually very easy to get people on the defensive. You, for example, can 1) gang up. This consists of teaming up with another person or two and start claiming that "you just owned the other guy haha what an idiot we really got him haha", when in fact the person you're attacking has been carefully arguing, documenting his claims. this gets carefully debating people very angry, particularly when you on the other hand have just been superficial and insulting. Or 2) claim that you've already been through this and that the person in question is boring and invite him/her to re-read everything on the forum. etc etc

And learning all of this, makes you more prepared for it.

I don't recommend this website, if it still exists, for people who are nice, gentle and who think that all of humanity can just get along. It's not full of harmless people. Some people over there really hated our guts and were ready to bomb the shit out of France. Some French people there hated America so much they were ready to go all-out nuclear with them too. A really ugly website. But a good place to learn how to take it easy.

by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Jan 3rd, 2006 at 09:01:14 AM EST
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Being overly sensitive those days, I guess I will first use less radical means than that website. But thank you indeed for taking the time to respond so thoroughly.

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Tue Jan 3rd, 2006 at 09:12:25 AM EST
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Yes, I also would never connect to that website when I was feeling a bit down or tired. It would have been hurtful (some of these people were nazi-like extremists => not the kind of people you want to talk to when you're feeling sensitive).
by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Jan 3rd, 2006 at 09:14:09 AM EST
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I forgot to precise this one thing. Even when you had decided to be super cool, super calm, you'd be attacked for being "a chicken", ready to surrender to all of their attacks without defending yourself.

So in essence, you were screwed. Either you retaliated and were no better than them. Or you tried being calm and you were a French surrender monkey.

It took me a few months to find the middle path. Which consisted of ignoring the ones in it for a fight, and trying to settle differences, in a calm manner, with those not in it for a fight. But like I said, I eventually quit because the ones looking for a fight kept on coming, and coming and coming ... endless masses of adversaries. Way too much to handle. The ratio was like 1 Frenchman against 10 Conservative Republicans, and in such circumstances it quickly gets too tedious.

by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Jan 3rd, 2006 at 09:12:27 AM EST
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So this is how you got to be so Zen. I keep trying to get you to bust a gut but there's no way.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Jan 3rd, 2006 at 10:49:08 AM EST
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hehehe afew, here's a pointer: try saying that France's unemployment rate is too high. I'll load a 30 round magazine in my AK-47 and wait for ya!

disclaimer: I'm not zen at all, I'm just beginning to get good at knowing how to avoid getting into trouble.

by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Jan 3rd, 2006 at 01:48:22 PM EST
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Hey, I remember hinting something like this 2 months ago and did not get any retaliatory response. my newcomer status I guess. Hope you did not spare me criticism because of the dearth of female diarists :-)) refrence being made to poemless's question in tonight's open thread

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Tue Jan 3rd, 2006 at 04:11:06 PM EST
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I had my earplugs on, I didn't hear what you were saying to me about French unemployment, dear female diarist ;) But I'm sure it was something very positive about it, hum hum hum. Something like: "unemployment is cool" or "we are all unemployed" or "Santa I want an unemployed dog for Christmas"
by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Jan 3rd, 2006 at 04:35:33 PM EST
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