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English-only is elitist, in the EU more so than in the US. Is this site elitist? Some people seem to think not. I disagree.

Migeru, I recall your once self-revealing in a comment somewhere a number of months ago (and I'm paraphrasing), that you "have a history of being argumentative, which has often resulted in your being disliked by those you argue with". I may not be being entirely accurate in my recalling your comment, but I'm certain you recall what you said. Anyway, for some reason your comment struck me at the time as curious, and has always stuck with me. In all seriousness, I acknowledge this Migeru: your high intelligence is obvious (and you are not shy about your own intelligence)...but, and now I hope you will forgive me for my bluntness, but you often come across to me as quite elitist yourself.  My point being, and in all due respect, I don't know where to go with your comments...

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia

by whataboutbob on Tue Jan 24th, 2006 at 01:14:36 PM EST
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Bob, I feel like I don't have anything to lose any longer so here we go.

The thrust of your arguments on this diary is basically "why can't Europeans just agree on one language to speak? It would make everyone's life so much easier".

As you know, the ISO country code for Switzerland is CH from the latin Confoederatio Helvetica. The Swiss know a tad more about multilingualism, democracy and getting along with others than just about anyone else in Europe, and they chose a friggin' dead language to draw a common identifier from.

Mandarin Chinese stands a better choice of becoming the single language of Europe than any autoctonous language.

It has taken a lot of pain to school ourselves in the idea that the linguistic diversity of Europe is not a hindrance but a treasure, and some people still don't get it.

Was it really so offensive that there was one diary and thread where people joyfully celebrated their multilingual heritage, one-upmanship and all?

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jan 24th, 2006 at 04:08:18 PM EST
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Sorry to say that Migeru and once again, do not forget the many times I acknowledged the high consideration I have for your diaries and posts, even when there have been some disagreements on the form.
Not that I want to drive the nail in, as direct issues settling is recommended, I have one question. When you write
I speak the languages of the 5 largest EU member states
I suddenly feel annoyed by the comment you made yesterday
Maybe afew is only bilingual, unlike you Agnes?
That was a snark aimed at pointing out that I boast too much about my language skills, right ? Well, my ego may not be undersized, but I do not recollect having bragged about the infinite number of languages I speak or understand. On the contrary, I tend to feel that I fall short compared to other ET members.
So what's the problem you had with me ?  

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Wed Jan 25th, 2006 at 06:43:16 AM EST
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If you really want an answer to your latter question, I'd much rather do it over private e-mail, but that is again something I think should not be taken lightly. At the very least we have a lot of misunderstandings to clear. So think about this four times. My e-mail address is public, as yours used to be. Maybe you should choose an arbiter to Cc: any e-mails to, just to make sure I don't say anything I might later regret.

You again insist on misunderstanding what I said, and I have alreasy explain what I thought I meant by what I said and what I thought you meant with what I quoted and that my one-liner was a reply to.

I disagree that issues settling is recommended. Cooling off is recommended and reflecting on what one said and the others said is recommended. But dwelling on the issues until they are settled is bad policy: it doesn't allow cooling off and it just adds to the pile of I-said-yuo-said that needs to be reflected on, plus it may expose other issues.

guaranteed to evoke a violent reaction from police is to challenge their right to "define the situation." --- David Graeber citing Marc Cooper

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jan 25th, 2006 at 06:55:55 AM EST
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