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There. is. no. fucking. problem. with. you. that. you. don't. fucking. bring. with. you.

I see absolutely no reason for you to react with personal abuse like that to Migeru who has been a valuable contributor here, if occasionally a bit more acerbic than is safe in a written forum.

In this case you are completely out of line: he wrote nothing that you could construe as an insult or offensive without trying really hard. I mean, I suppose if I concentrated I could figure out a way that (say) being nasty about the insularity of many Spaniards was anti-americanism. I just can't be bothered working that hard.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 24th, 2006 at 07:02:34 AM EST
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Colman, if my recollection is correct, Migeru mentioned once that he had offended Page. Once someone has offended you, well you tend to be a little more sensitive than the usual reader, I can tell this form past experience, and it takes effort not to strike "back" when there was actually no intention to harm in the first place. It is my understanding of what just happened.

The problem is that we tend to write on line as though we were speaking, and sometimes not take the time to think over what we wrote before posting it. I am trying to use the wise advice provided by both Jérôme and Alex, and that even does not work all the time....

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Tue Jan 24th, 2006 at 07:09:59 AM EST
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I understand that. Her reaction is still completely out of line.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 24th, 2006 at 07:15:14 AM EST
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We don't write online as if we were speaking, Agnes. We write online. We are not physically present together, we don't have the visual and social cues available, and we go over the top more easily than we would face-to-face.

That said, Plutonium Page has lots of experience and didn't need to go bananas. Whatever past disagreements there may have been.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Jan 24th, 2006 at 07:22:04 AM EST
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Well, so I am the one missing the point right now. I was just trying to help cooling things off, but I guess I'll get back to my diaries.:-) BTW, what d'you think of the idea of diary I suggested, afew ?

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Tue Jan 24th, 2006 at 07:28:15 AM EST
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I got involved replying to another comment below, or I would already have answered: good idea, I'm looking forward to seeing it!

(Expect a lot of participation because, among EuroTribbers, I think that the experience of cross-cultural divides is perhaps the biggest common denominator -- and possible cause of jumpiness?)

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Jan 24th, 2006 at 07:42:03 AM EST
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from my (very) recent experience, a lot of participation is the best reward I can get when writing a diary!

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Tue Jan 24th, 2006 at 08:04:02 AM EST
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Isn't it what matters most?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Jan 24th, 2006 at 08:06:47 AM EST
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Exactement !

When through hell, just keep going. W. Churchill
by Agnes a Paris on Tue Jan 24th, 2006 at 09:17:03 AM EST
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I completely agree.  I'm not going to zero- or one-rate it.  Plenty of people seem to have done so, already.  But, Page, that was a ridiculous outburst.  You apparently forget that you're not the only American here.  I didn't see anything resembling anti-Americanism in Migeru's comment.  I understand being sensitive to anti-Americanism.  Everyone in America's Reality-based Community suffers because of the idiotic acts of the Bushies.  But that really has nothing to do with what he said.

No one has referred to Americans as evil.   Had anyone done so, I'd be the first to demand an apology.  Migeru has called out the Bushies a great deal -- that's it -- and there is nothing wrong with that.  He has been completely respectful of my views.  If anything, you should take advantage of being able to speak with our friends in Europe and demonstrate that we're not a bunch of religious whackjobs, because I think it helps to calm everyone across the Atlantic down and let them know that we're fighting the sociopaths who have taken over the White House -- and that we're finally winning, if the polls are to be believed (and, statistically, I think they are).

I think you're looking for anti-Americanism to such a degree that you're bordering on paranoia.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Jan 24th, 2006 at 06:03:59 PM EST
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Drew, it's a bit more complicated: Page is an expat, she lives in the Netherlands, her fears are possibly also of not being accepted as an European, to always stay an American in (some) local's eyes.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Jan 24th, 2006 at 06:34:39 PM EST
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That's fair.  I've never experienced that sort of isolation, so I can't criticize that feeling.  But I maintain that it does not excuse such an attack.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Tue Jan 24th, 2006 at 06:51:16 PM EST
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