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Bob, thanks for your honest diary! Here are my unordered thoughts after reading it and the comments - again, these are strictly my personal half-considered opinions, not that of a frontpager:

  • One of the things the EU wants to promote is multilingualism of individuals. I fully support that, and feel it would be good if ET could promote the same.

  • A lot of Europeans do not speak English, or speak it so bad they couldn't comment or write a diary - they are automatically excluded. But as ET has a lofty goal of becoming Europe's dKos, attracting a wider audience would be a boon.

  • I see my idea of how to become multilingual goes against the ideas of many other people here, but I will state it and argue for it anyway, see if I get responses. What I wouldn't want is a segmentation of ET into separate language groups - what I imagine is a 'mosaic community', where multilingual people are the interconnection between discussions in various languages. For that reason, I wouldn't like a strict separation by languages - at most in the recommended diary list.

  • In my version, technically everyone would be 'excluded' from a part of ET discussions. However, keeping comments threads multilingual would allow people to simply ask for a translation (which could even help those who are just in the process of learning the dominant language of the diary).

  • On the other hand, you (and PlutoniumPage) called my attention to the situation of those who got used to the present, English-only, neither segmented nor mosaic community. Bob, you wrote that you already have "a hard time with understanding a number of the converstations going on here in English, due to the technical or highly specific intellectual content". Well, you're not alone :-) and starting from this, I suggest an alternative way to look at it. I do skip a number of diaries because it's over my head, or not my interest, or I don't have the (especially emotional, humour) talent to comment, or (as often with Fran's Breakfast diaries) I came too late for the party - and the view I want to share is that this is already a similar kind of exclusion from the group, but only partial, from my viewpoint we are already kind of a mosaic community.

To repeat your words: agree with me, disagree we me, flame me...whatever...this is how I'm feeling. Und du? :-)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Jan 24th, 2006 at 08:54:26 AM EST
Thanks DoDo...You have some interesting ideas:

(...)What I wouldn't want is a segmentation of ET into separate language groups - what I imagine is a 'mosaic community', where multilingual people are the interconnection between discussions in various languages. For that reason, I wouldn't like a strict separation by languages - at most in the recommended diary list.

(...) However, keeping comments threads multilingual would allow people to simply ask for a translation (which could even help those who are just in the process of learning the dominant language of the diary).

Now this sounds much better, though think this would only work with everyone pitching in to help with translations...which can be tricky, since we all don't always get along or understand each other in the "common" language as it is. And how would a person who doesn't speak English know that they could say what they want in their language, and that someone would help translate...assumng someone was around to do that. But...anyway, I like the mosaic concept...despite all my questions about it...

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia

by whataboutbob on Tue Jan 24th, 2006 at 09:27:31 AM EST
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This is only a quick reply:

Regarding translations, I was more thinking of an informal way, i.e. some commenter requests it and another does it, not necessarily word-for-word.

Second, I would emphasize what I see kcurie also thought of: that a multilingual blog can help learning languages (I'm not arguing un-selflessly here :-) ) - including English.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Jan 24th, 2006 at 11:24:07 AM EST
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