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What kind of incendiary rhetoric did Katona use to come out with?

Tarlós looks very scary in that poster.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Oct 2nd, 2006 at 02:54:42 AM EST
What kind of incendiary rhetoric did Katona use to come out with?

I'd be hard-pressed to remember any details, but it must have included soldiering on over issues like the big battle between the then government and Demszky over subway line 4 (the government withdrew funds it was legally obliged to pay but denied both the obligation and the political motive), highway construction financing, and war over the media. What I remember well is sitting before TV and wanting to punch into that smile after every sentence spoken.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Oct 2nd, 2006 at 07:54:50 AM EST
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Tarlós looks very scary in that poster.

And consider that this is his own election poster, not a negative campaign poster by an opponent!...

To be fair to him, he is probably less mad than he is made out to be in the 'left' media. Or as some commentator noted on Index.hu, the internet news site I most often use and link pictures from, "not a far-rightist but a black-belt populist".

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Oct 2nd, 2006 at 08:16:10 AM EST
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I think I've put my finger on it -- he looks like Le Pen would love to look in his campaign posters.

(Le Pen is of course both Vichy far-right and a black-belt populist -- and a narcissist.)

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 02:25:15 AM EST
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I'm curious what you can read from this face:



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 03:47:50 AM EST
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Ex-communist?

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 05:33:48 AM EST
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Not quite.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 05:40:22 AM EST
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but the over-excited check-his-blood-pressure! look makes me think he's probably pretty far to the Right. I bet he also indulges in a little anti-Semitism from time to time. Never trust a big man with tiny teeth.
by Matt in NYC on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 02:46:00 PM EST
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Am I right to guess that you know who's on the picture?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 04:12:35 PM EST
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He looks vaguely familiar for some reason, but I can't quite place him.
by Matt in NYC on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 08:05:06 PM EST
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It is poissible you remembered the following picture from my The Laughing Fourth diary (showing MIÉP leader Csurka, flanked by the leader of Jobbik and a lower-ranked MIÉP leader):



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Oct 4th, 2006 at 07:16:59 AM EST
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(...showing them contemplating a crushing election loss this spring.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Oct 4th, 2006 at 07:18:42 AM EST
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Maybe. I remember reading this diary and following through on some of the links. Also that I was particularly intrigued by Jobbik's retro double-cross logo.
by Matt in NYC on Wed Oct 4th, 2006 at 09:11:29 AM EST
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DoDo!  And you thought we wouldn't recognize you... ;-)
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 07:06:49 AM EST
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That was below the beltline...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 09:52:04 AM EST
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I know, and I humbly apologize.  Couldn't help myself. :-\
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 09:57:13 AM EST
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Tiny party, focuses on hunter rights.
by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 04:27:31 PM EST
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He looks closer to what Le Pen really looks like.

I think there have been too many comments already for me to say any more. (Though the idea of him being a former Communist is not incompatible, of course, with him being a stinking anti-semitic rabble-rouser... Just as he could be the same thing on the far right).

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 04:40:58 PM EST
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He looks closer to what Le Pen really looks like.

That's what I thought to post him -- he's the collague of Le Pen, and even had Le Pen invited for a rally a few years ago. He is István Csurka, leader of MIÉP.

(Re Migeru, there is a small communist connection. He took part in '56 as a youth, was sentenced, then got free, to become a celebrated playwright. When in the late eighties he sensed that the system is crumbling, he suddenly became outspoken and got silenced, then joined the right-wing mass party MDF, from which he broke away to form his far-right party. In the nineties, it came out that when in prison, he signed a paper that he will be an informant for the secret service. He claims he never wrote a report an none turned up, on the other hand, some agents reported in words, and it is suspicious that he was a supported [not tolerated, not banned] playwright until the end, and that he has rather good secret service connections that resulted in some leaks to him.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Oct 4th, 2006 at 07:14:44 AM EST
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If we are here, let me make the face test with this guy, too:

(For the record, I'm not testing you, I'm curious how much a face tells of the person to strangers.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 04:02:29 AM EST
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Fiscally conservative, socially liberal, wealthy businessman, patriotic?

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 05:24:16 AM EST
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Only 1½ right...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 05:40:00 AM EST
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I'm more curious about personality and mannerism, though guessing ideology too. I hope afew will try too.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 05:42:10 AM EST
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Hmmm.  Politicians with knives make me nervous.
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 07:10:32 AM EST
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he'd be from the Northeast, New York or Boston, have something of a drinking problem and a badly covered-up record of groping interns in elevators. He'd also lean a little to the Left by American standards. Since he's Hungarian, however, and not Irish-American, I'll take my cue from the props and the backgrounds that he's a wee bit of a nationalist, which is usually NOT a good thing in your part of the world.
by Matt in NYC on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 02:27:48 PM EST
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A social democrat of sorts, and a nationalist.
by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 04:26:50 PM EST
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Oops, I meant to type Christian Democrat, not social.
by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 04:27:57 PM EST
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Traditionalist, probably Christian. (I'm getting this from the symbolism in the props like the bread, the church in the country setting). He's putting himself across as benevolent rather than authoritarian. But the black tie and the party symbol... hmm (though his tie in the bread picture is just a mess).

I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 04:32:10 PM EST
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The hairstyle also reveals a person worried about relinquishing control.
by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 04:35:19 PM EST
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Wow. Then...

Then all fifty-plus conservative men in politics are worried about keeping control?

No? Every single politician? Yep, I think you're right!

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 04:45:43 PM EST
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hehe
What's more his hair is cumbed to the right. A clear clue, I'd say.
by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 04:49:51 PM EST
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Geez, you guys are scary. I'm never going to post another picture of myself on the site...

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 05:14:48 PM EST
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Wait, we haven't told you what we think about that double-chin of yours!
by Alex in Toulouse on Tue Oct 3rd, 2006 at 05:33:21 PM EST
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Okay, here is the solution. Pictured is József Torgyán, onetime leader of the now defunct Smallholders' Party.

The party was a reincarnation of the party that won the first and last free elections after WWII (before the communist takeover), a socially conservative but economically redistributive party with the slogan "Bort, búzát, békességet!" = "Let there be wine, wheat, peacefulness" (hence the cutting of the bread at the election event). But it was soon hijacked and turned a single-person party by Torgyán.

If Tarlós is a black-belt populist, Torgyán was a grand master or even god. A privately highly intelligent attorney from the capital, he had a special gift to pretend to be a fiery rural simpleton, and work his (mostly truly rural simpleton) audience into a frenzy. His remembered wisecracks are innumerable (called "torgyániáda"). He was also very vain, with a funny sense of dres code and hairdo.

For about a year in the 1994-1998 period, his party even led opinion polls... then with growing scandals of his party, which also caused it to multiply by cell division, he fell back. Still he could join Fidesz's government in 1998. But Orbán was even more gifted at demagoguery and intrigue than him: he let Torgyán sink in some corruption affairs, and finished off his party by accelerating the cell division.

Being unable to live without publicity, a year or two ago, Torgyán resurfaced -- as permanent talk show guest...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Oct 4th, 2006 at 07:40:51 AM EST
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