I don't know about Rutte, I think he's going to be pragmatic. Sometimes he says something that sounds neoliberal, but he also uses populist left-wing rhetoric. So it's kind of hard to say who the real Rutte is, but he sees himself as being on the left wing of the VVD. Under Verdonk the VVD would really have had a classic Thatcherite neoliberal agenda, so that's what I meant by saying they veered right and then a bit back to the center again.