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No, I never invoked either linearity or determinism. Is everything determined? Possibly, but the only way of predicting it would be to run the universe to find out what would happen.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Oct 18th, 2006 at 10:56:31 AM EST
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I thought your agreement to my comment about our communications (typing) being physically determined meant you accepted a determinist model of action, A necessarily follows B.

We - and cuckoos - manifest behaviours because our brains and body take in information from the environment, react to it and output results that change the environment.

I take this to be basic linearity: input (before) output(after and as a result of.)  B follows A in time and is caused (at least partly) by A, and before A was something else all the way back into the mists.

"Chance" means (on this scenario, I think) side hits from other ABC causal (linear) events.

Put the whole lot together and you have chaos, but only because we can't put ourselves in the position to follow each line.

If I have understood the intro. to the I-Ching (me and understand=big IF), the (ancient?) chinese attitude didn't hold to this model.  It didn't follow past to present to future, but rather saw present spreading out in all directions.

I'm assuming that what we have discovered so far of what we call the quantum world does not follow the ABC model of reality.

If our brains are quantum in their centres (inside the inside the inside etc.) then they, too, cease to be simply ABC boxes.

Which is why I would enjoy reading a diary by Migeru on anything quantum-related.

Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.

by rg (leopold dot lepster at google mail dot com) on Wed Oct 18th, 2006 at 11:46:45 AM EST
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I'm assuming that what we have discovered so far of what we call the quantum world does not follow the ABC model of reality.

Did you read this?

What's difficult about Quantum Mechanics is that it is contextual, non-counterfactual and nonlocal.


Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Oct 18th, 2006 at 11:51:58 AM EST
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I wouldn't put it like that: B happens in the context of A. B must be one of the things that are possible given A but I wouldn't suggest there is always only one possible outcome that must directly follow.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Oct 18th, 2006 at 11:58:19 AM EST
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I take "physically determined" to mean "determined by the laws of physics, whatever they are".
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Oct 18th, 2006 at 12:00:21 PM EST
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