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His argument basically boils down to

We don't understand consciousness
Consciousness is not algorithnic
All classical computation is algorithmic
Therefore consciousness must be quantum
we don't understand the collapse of the wavefunction
We don't understand quantum gravity
Maybe quantum gravity will explain the collapse of the wavefunction: the collapse happens when the difference between two states amounts to "one graviton"
We can estimate the size of a lump of matter creating this "one graviton" difference
Is there a component of a Neuron that has this "one graviton" size? Yes! the centrosome!
Maybe consciousness is a quantum effect involving centrosomes.

I kid you not.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Oct 18th, 2006 at 11:35:18 AM EST
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Re: Object Blogging (4.00 / 2)

I like that: science of the gaps. Sort of like a god of the gaps but with less impressive robes.

I'll point out, for the general edification of those reading rather than for your benefit, that classical computation considers a very small class of devices that don't seem to be anything like the brain. And we don't really understand the details of those devices anyway.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Oct 18th, 2006 at 11:41:10 AM EST
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Right now, I can't remember to what extent Penrose discussed classical chaos in computing devices.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Oct 18th, 2006 at 11:46:12 AM EST
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I'm trying to think what I read and where: it was talking about phenomena inside neurons that were on a very small scale but influential.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Oct 18th, 2006 at 11:43:28 AM EST
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